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Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby DianaCanada » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:53 pm

A relative of mine, Lucy Ann Fletcher, married Ernley Matthews at the Chorlton District Register Office on 21 Sep 1918. Ernley was a widower, 50, and Lucy a spinster, 46. Both gave 14 St. George Avenue, Hulme, Lancs., as their address. Ernley was a bricksetters laborer and Lucy a cotton winder. The witnesses were E. Henry Joynson and Elizabeth Joynson (nee Myers), found them (married couple) on the 1911 but don't see any obvious family connection. Ernley's father was Joseph, a laborer.

At first, I couldn't find a trace of Ernley under the spellings Ernley, Earnley, or Urnley in the 1911 or FreeBMD. No birth, marriage (other than to Lucy Ann), death. Neither found in the 1939, but looks like Lucy died in 1950 in Chorlton district.

Finally I looked at female deaths in Chorlton from about 1894-1918 for the surname Matthews and luck struck right away, for the first one I looked up was Ada, d. Jun 1913, age 42. In 1911 she was married, 12 years, no children, no husband in household, with her brother David Newstead in Chorlton district. Found a marriage for an Ada Newstead to URNLE Matthews in Sheffield in 1898 and in 1901 they are in Attercliffe cum Darnall, Yorks. He is 28, b. East Harrington, Somerset. Age doesn't quite match the marriage record, or he would have been 32.

I think I have found him in Somerset, parents Charlotte and Joseph, he is listed as Ernest in 1871. No birth registration for this child, age 3 in 1871, which matches his age on marriage to Lucy Ann.

I cannot find his death, 1939 enumeration, or probate (none for Lucy either).

Any help appreciated!
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby PaulH01 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:20 pm

FamilySearch has an Ernly Matthews born 1867 Wells, Somerset.
GRO has that too - mother's maiden name LESTER.

Then an Aernle(!) Matthews 1881 Census in Wells, parents Joseph/Charlotte.
It says he's born 1868 West Horrington, Somerset. Joseph 61, ag lab, born East Horrington.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-Z28P

Joseph/Charlotte also 1871 Census Horrington - another child Joseph.
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby DianaCanada » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:33 pm

Thank you, Paul! Helpful knowing there are several variations on the name. Might have been simpler if they had named him Lester :) after his mother's family.
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby PaulH01 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:52 pm

Diana, a little more on Charlotte Lester, perhaps:

There is a Charlotte Lester in the 1841 Census aged 9 living East Pennard with (possibly father) Abraham and (possibly brother) Charles.
She may have been a servant chez Haine in the same village in the 1851 Census.

Subsequent censuses then show a Charlotte Lester born in West Pennard married to Charles Lester!
I assume this is your Charlotte's brother Charles who married someone local who just happened to be called Charlotte too. His age on the censuses supports this theory.

Abraham Lester has two marriage entries in East Pennard:
Elizabeth Green in 1816, Honour Coombs in 1823.

None of this helps with the unusual first name ;-)
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby DianaCanada » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:14 pm

When I checked the witnesses at the marriage, E. Henry (Ernest) and Elizabeth Joynson in 1911 they had her mother with them, Charlotte Myers, b Stourbridge, Worcestershire. She was close in age to Ernley's mother Charlotte so thought she might have married twice, as she would have been 43 when Elizabeth was born. Haven't entirely ruled it out, but Ernley's mother was born in East Pennard. My geography knowledge of that part of England is not very good, but I don't believe that is close to Stourbridge. Would have made sense, though, if she was Ernley's half-sister.
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby PaulH01 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:26 pm

Yes, East Pennard is in Somerset, a long way from Stourbridge (over 150km).
Nearish to Shepton Mallet and Glastonbury.
East Horrington, where Joseph comes from, is about 30 km north of Pennard, in the same county.
So presumably they moved up north for work.
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby DianaCanada » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:31 pm

PaulH01 wrote:Yes, East Pennard is in Somerset, a long way from Stourbridge (over 150km).
Nearish to Shepton Mallet and Glastonbury.
East Horrington, where Joseph comes from, is about 30 km north of Pennard, in the same county.
So presumably they moved up north for work.


Well, you know, 150 Km is nothing here in Canada - LOL. :)
Thank you for that information, just a coincidence then, about the Charlottes.
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby kobie » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:49 pm

Hi
Ernley Matthews is transcribed as Emily on 1939 register. He is living at 41 Cundiff Road, Manchester. DOB is 30 Oct 1867. He is living with Ann L Matthews DOB is 20 dec 1871

Jane
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby DianaCanada » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:48 pm

kobie wrote:Hi
Ernley Matthews is transcribed as Emily on 1939 register. He is living at 41 Cundiff Road, Manchester. DOB is 30 Oct 1867. He is living with Ann L Matthews DOB is 20 dec 1871

Jane


Thank you so much for this, Jane! It does look like Emily! I will look at FreeBMD and see if I can find a likely listing under Emily for his death.
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Re: Matthews (Hulme, Lancashire) Unusual First Name

Postby DianaCanada » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:00 pm

I have just found the death as Ernly in March 1943, Manchester. Not sure how I missed that.
Thanks for everyone's help!
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