Moderator Control Panel ]

Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

A problem shared is a problem halved. Post your brick walls here and see whether you can offer advice to others

Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby Simon45 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:17 pm

I'm trying to find the death of James Hibble who was born about 1830

He married Emma Sudbury in 1850 in Halstead , Essex
( I have the marriage certificate)

James is on the 1851 census aged 21 , living in Halstead , bridge street with Emma his wife

Emma was a widow by 1861 census , living in Halstead, bridge street

Any help appreciated

Thank you
Simon


Sent from my iPhone using WDYTYA Forum
Simon45
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 8:49 am

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby midshipman » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:42 pm

Looked on FreeBMD Site and March 1853 in Sudbury showing a death for James Hibble.

Sent from my SM-J320FN using WDYTYA Forum mobile app
User avatar
midshipman
 
Posts: 221
Joined: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:00 pm

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby Simon45 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:06 pm

Ok , thanks
I checked this one on General registry office and it said he was 81 years old

So not him


Sent from my iPhone using WDYTYA Forum
Simon45
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 8:49 am

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby ianbee » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:41 pm

Could there have been some sort of mix up, there is this one
Sep 1858 Halstead 4a 178
Hibble, Charles
age 28

Charles was the name of James Hibble's father. And he had a brother Charles two years older than himself. But I don't think it's him (appears to be around later)

Daughter Alice Mary was registered in the March qtr of 1859, Halstead.
She was baptized 25 Dec 1858 at St Andrew Halstead
The BT for that year on FamilySearch only has baptisms to the 12th Dec, the next - and last - available year is 1867! So I can't give you a link to that.

Have you got Alice's birth certificate in case there's anything helpful?
Ian
ianbee
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:51 pm

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby Simon45 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:59 pm

Hi Ian
Thanks for the information

I have the birth certificate of Alice Mary Hibble
She was born 28 November 1858 , Halstead , Essex
and registered 6 January 1859

Hope that helps

Kind regards

Simon


Sent from my iPhone using WDYTYA Forum
Simon45
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 8:49 am

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby ianbee » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:13 pm

Did mum register the birth?

ianbee wrote:Sep 1858 Halstead 4a 178

Some of the others with the same page reference were buried at St Andrew Halstead
George Argent, 24 August, age 54
Emily Cranfield, 27 August, age 6 months (Emma on GRO index)
James Crick, 27 August, age 68
BT here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=494176

next page
Caroline Mills, 31 August, age 6 weeks

From which we can deduce that the death was likely in August. (Before Alice was born of course, but not before she was conceived!)
The question is, was there another Charles Hibble around in the Halstead area of that sort of age, other than James' brother? I haven't pinned one down yet.
Ian
ianbee
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:51 pm

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby Simon45 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:27 pm

A possible update ?

On Alice Maria Hibbles marriage certificate of 1888 to Frederick Smith
It says she was 27

Her father John Hibble , a gardener


Sent from my iPhone using WDYTYA Forum
Simon45
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 8:49 am

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby ianbee » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:54 pm

Simon45 wrote:A possible update ?

Hi Simon
I wouldn't use the term update! More like a hand grenade has been tossed into our research!

Births
Sudbury, Sep 1889
Frederick Maurice Smith
mother Hibble

Kensington, Dec 1890
Lily Ethel Smith
mother Hibble

Kensington, Sep 1892
Sidney Arthur Smith
mother Hibble

Here they are in 1901 in Tottenham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96R-48C

and 1911, still in Tottenham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW4L-JM1

which says
Alice Maria Smith, 52, born Sudbury Suffolk

A baptism possibility
Name: Alice Maria Hibble
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 27 Nov 1859
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1859
Christening Place: All Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk
Father's Name: John Hibble
Mother's Name: Susan
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Ian
ianbee
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:51 pm

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby ianbee » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:02 pm

Here they are in 1871 in Sudbury
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNQ-9PJ

Alice Hibble, 11, born Sudbury
Father John Hibble, 42, is a Gardener.
Mum is Susan Hibble, 40
One of her brothers is Morris, 4.
Perhaps tying in with Alice's own son Frederick Maurice Smith.
Ian
ianbee
 
Posts: 2292
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:51 pm

Re: Brick wall , James Hibble , death info please

Postby Simon45 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:04 pm

Ian
Thank you very much
So I have the wrong birth certificate for Alice Maria Hibble ?

I've tried to find a way of ordering a birth certificate, but there are no indexes or volume numbers
I've tried these below
Ancestry
General register office
Free BMD

Any idea where i can get Alice's birth certificate please


Thank you

Simon


Sent from my iPhone using WDYTYA Forum
Simon45
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 8:49 am

Next

Return to General research queries


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests