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Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:08 pm

I'm trying to find the actual marriage date & any other details of James Male & Elizabeth Jackson m 1871 Sep Q Durham RD Vol 10a Pg 377 without purchasing their cert if anyone has them - if not I'll go ahead & purchase!
I've had 2 goes at find Elizabeth's birth without any success - I'm fairly certain she was base born in 1852 to Mary Ann Jackson

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Re: Marriage John Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby meekhcs » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:57 pm

I have looked on Durham records online but sadly the marriage does not appear. Nor is it part of the Northumberland and Durham marriages record set on FMP.

By the way the record you posted has his name as James Male not John.

If Elizabeth was base born she may have made up a ficitious, possibly deceased, Father on the wedding cert , or the box may just be empty. Hopefully her Mother may be a witness at the wedding and that would offer further proof.

I am not sure if the GRO are still running their email scheme for certs. If so they will be a little cheaper than normal.
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Re: Marriage John Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:14 pm

meekhcs wrote:By the way the record you posted has his name as James Male not John.

If Elizabeth was base born she may have made up a ficitious, possibly deceased, Father on the wedding cert , or the box may just be empty. Hopefully her Mother may be a witness at the wedding and that would offer further proof.

I am not sure if the GRO are still running their email scheme for certs. If so they will be a little cheaper than normal.


A slip - its James Male; I've been reseaching a John Male Jackson; their nephew
Thanks for looking though
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby meekhcs » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:20 pm

The Northumberland and Durham FHS has a Forum maybe someone local would do a look up for you?
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Re: Marriage John Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:43 pm

No clues as to the exact location from Durham CC's certificate service
https://gro.durham.gov.uk/

Except to confirm that James Male did indeed marry Elizabeth Jackson in 1871

Can we glean anything from the GRO index?
First page of marriages for Durham district that quarter was 375 (two names, thus one marriage)
FamilySearch has it
James Telford, 34, father Henry
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Mary Ann Suliby, 24 (Soulsby according to the GRO), father Nicholas
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Belmont, Durham
(from microfilm 1514585, Belmont Marriages, 1858-1901)

Next is 377, four names including your Jackson and Male
Page 378 has two names and therefore just the one marriage (unless FreeBMD has missed the others, but there appears to be only two names indexed on findmypast/familysearch). This will have been at the same place as the two marriages on page 377.

So, it was a parish church marriage. As these always come first in the GRO index.
And in the second church in the running order that had marriages performed in that quarter (Sep 1871)

We'd usually hope that the running order in the index would be alphabetical by parish.
The list is here
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/durham.html

On page 379 in the GRO index, presumably a different church to 377/8 with their three marriages (unless there was a muck up in the quarterly return)
Harrison Alderson must have married Elizabeth Margaret Pearson
A marriage allegation says that they intended to be married in the parish church of Brancepeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1675690
He is indexed as Alderton on FamilySearch

Meanwhile, also on 379, FamilySearch have John Lawson (Lowson on GRO) + Ada Jane Rhymer at Thornley (Near Tow-Law), Durham, 16 July! Perhaps this is a banns record indexed as a marriage? Not even in Durham district!

Coverage of transcriptions of churches on Durham Records Online is here
https://durhamrecordsonline.com/Parish_ ... kiecheck=1
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:03 pm

Is this Elizabeth and her family in Collierley in 1871?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB83-FVQ
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:15 pm

ianbee wrote:Is this Elizabeth and her family in Collierley in 1871?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB83-FVQ


Yes it is just before her marriage
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Re: Marriage John Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:24 pm

ianbee wrote:No clues as to the exact location from Durham CC's certificate service
https://gro.durham.gov.uk/

Except to confirm that James Male did indeed marry Elizabeth Jackson in 1871
We'd usually hope that the running order in the index would be alphabetical by parish.
The list is here
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/durham.html

On page 379 in the GRO index, presumably a different church to 377/8 with their three marriages (unless there was a muck up in the quarterly return)
Harrison Alderson must have married Elizabeth Margaret Pearson
A marriage allegation says that they intended to be married in the parish church of Brancepeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1675690
He is indexed as Alderton on FamilySearch

Coverage of transcriptions of churches on Durham Records Online is here
https://durhamrecordsonline.com/Parish_ ... kiecheck=1
Ian

Could it have been Annfield Plain Or Colliery?
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:52 pm

Hi
You'd think Collierley would be favourite, but all logic says not
From various sources I've managed to locate a few marriages said to have taken place there prior to 1875, and in the GRO indexes they are all a bit further on in that running order for Durham district.

Theoretically, it ought to have been in a place beginning with B, and in between Belmont and Brancepeth, on that list. Unless there was another parish church in Brancepeth.
How does Benfieldside strike you?
Sometimes though logic goes out the window, or there's something we've overlooked!
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:29 pm

OK, try another approach!
William Best must have married Ann Towns (the other marriage on page 377)
In 1881 they are in Benfieldside, with son Robert J Best, 7, born Benfieldside (Robert James Best, registered June qtr 1874, Durham, mother Towns)

Ann Best was 30 in 1881, and in 1871 there is an Ann Town, 20, daughter of Robert, in Benfieldside
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB83-K7T

On page 378, there was the marriage of George Clements and Sarah Jane Skelton
Here they are in 1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-SVC6

I can't really link them to Durham before 1871, he was from Norfolk, and she was from Staffordshire.

Their first son was John James Clements, registered Sep 1872, Durham, mother Skelton.
His baptism was at a Wesleyan Methodist church/chapel
Name: John James Clements
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Sep 1872
Christening Place: Shotley-Bridge, Durham
Residence Place: Shotley-Bridge, Durham
Father's Name: George Clements
Mother's Name: Sarah Jane
from England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

And it seems that Shotley Bridge was in Benfieldside!
So at the moment it's all pointing to your marriage being at Benfieldside.
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