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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:57 pm

ianbee wrote:OK, try another approach!

And it seems that Shotley Bridge was in Benfieldside!
So at the moment it's all pointing to your marriage being at Benfieldside.
Ian


Hi Ian,
You were right! I've purchased the marriage cert - marriage by banns at Benfieldside Parish Church on 1 July 1871.
It gives James as from Black Hill which is very near Consett & not far from Benfieldside.
I think it was there because they were both under age - Elizabeth said she was 20 when she was really 18 or 19 as was James if his birth was 1852 although I've not located it yet.
Elizabeth's father is given as William Jackson, cinder drawer BUT we know her mother was married to William Beecroft by then & we think Elizabeth used his name William as her father & called him Jackson to hide the fact she is base born - her brothet John George on his marriage in 1873 did the same thing; calling him William Jackson, coke burner.
Can't locate James Male in 1861 or 1871; although is called Mayler in 1881.
They did not have any children that I know to.
Kate
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:43 pm

Hi Kate
That is good news, thanks for letting us know.
I think you are right about Elizabeth's description of her father. Seen it done a lot of times!
But Mr Male is turning out to be a bit of a puzzle. I couldn't pin him down in 1871 either. What did he say about his father?
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:02 am

ianbee wrote:Hi Kate
That is good news, thanks for letting us know.
I think you are right about Elizabeth's description of her father. Seen it done a lot of times!
But Mr Male is turning out to be a bit of a puzzle. I couldn't pin him down in 1871 either. What did he say about his father?
Ian


Ian,
Father also James Male a mill furnace man.
In 1881 an Ellen Mayler (Male) age 66 widow born Enville, Staffs is with James & Elizabeth.
I need to revisit earlier censuses looking for Ellen & James possibly in Dudley area.
The name 'Male' was the 2nd name given to Elizabeth's older brother, John George Jackson's youngest son, John Male Jackson & has always fascinated us. He has an interesting story.
Kate
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:28 pm

Hi
He's in Benfieldside in 1861!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M783-XCS

More tomorrow!
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:03 pm

ianbee wrote:Hi
He's in Benfieldside in 1861!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M783-XCS

More tomorrow!
Ian


Hello Ian,
Thanks - you've beaten me to it!
Have some time later today to look further
Kate
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:10 pm

Hi Kate
Did you see the death announcement of James Male senior?
In the Northern Echo, 26 May 1876, also the Durham County Advertiser
MALE.—May 20, at Westmoreland-street, Darlington, aged 58, Mr. James Male, mill-furnaceman

Westmoreland Street is where I eventually(!) found them in 1871, and also their married daughter, but still no sign of the younger James that year.

James Male was buried in Darlington, 23 May 1876
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=996888

So this must be Ellen's burial, 15 Dec 1882, age 66?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=996888

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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:08 am

ianbee wrote:Hi Kate
Did you see the death announcement of James Male senior?
In the Northern Echo, 26 May 1876, also the Durham County Advertiser
MALE.—May 20, at Westmoreland-street, Darlington, aged 58, Mr. James Male, mill-furnaceman

Westmoreland Street is where I eventually(!) found them in 1871, and also their married daughter, but still no sign of the younger James that year.

James Male was buried in Darlington, 23 May 1876
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=996888

So this must be Ellen's burial, 15 Dec 1882, age 66?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=996888

Ian


Hi Ian,
I had found them in Westmoreland Street, Darlington with married daughter & had the parents deaths & burials in Darlington Cemetery BUT not the actual dates, or grave details - thank you.
How did you find the death announcement?
I too can't find James Jnr in 1871 prior to his marriage.
I've connected Black Hill as where the Iron works were in Consett & of course Benfieldside is very close hence another reason for the marriage there.
James's siblings Eliza & Emma were born Consett or Berry Edge which is again the site of the Steelworks but I havn't found their baptisms as yet. Berry Edge is where the family are in 1851. It looks as though Ellen was back in Kingswinford when James was born in 1852 although any of his birth details are still eluding me!
There was another son Luke b1859 who died in 1862 Benfieldside but I only have civil reg details for him.
Will keep searching - and many thanks for your input - it really helps!
Is there anything I can help you with?
Kate
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby meekhcs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:40 pm

Kate
After my initial thoughts I disappeared for a few days. Glad to see Ian took up the search,none better, and that you have found so much info.
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby ianbee » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:00 pm

Hi
Could they have been methodist? At least for a spell.
Name: Eliza Meale
Residence Place: Shotley Bridge, Durham
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1 Dec 1846
Christening Place: Shotley-Bridge, Durham
Father's Name: James Meale
Mother's Name: Ellen

Which relates to Primitive Methodist Church - Shotley Bridge Circuit.
If that's them it's another variation on Male!

We don't know where James was in the 1871 census, but we do know where he was a bit later! And at least with his family found it's not such a great problem.

Thank you for the kind offer of help. I'm actually pretty well stuck everywhere, in Ireland (paternal line), in Dorking, Surrey with James Duncan (maternal line), and most of the other further back lines that I am interested in as well!

Thanks Sally!
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Re: Marriage James Male & Elizabeth Jackson 1871

Postby katebenn » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:59 pm

ianbee wrote:Hi
Could they have been methodist? At least for a spell.
Name: Eliza Meale
Residence Place: Shotley Bridge, Durham
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1 Dec 1846
Christening Place: Shotley-Bridge, Durham
Father's Name: James Meale
Mother's Name: Ellen

Which relates to Primitive Methodist Church - Shotley Bridge Circuit.
If that's them it's another variation on Male!

We don't know where James was in the 1871 census, but we do know where he was a bit later! And at least with his family found it's not such a great problem.

Thank you for the kind offer of help. I'm actually pretty well stuck everywhere, in Ireland (paternal line), in Dorking, Surrey with James Duncan (maternal line), and most of the other further back lines that I am interested in as well!

Thanks Sally!
Ian

Hi Ian,
Yes, certainly - thanks again. Primative Methodists were popular at this time in the area. I've got other ancestors at Shotley Bridge Primitive Methodists at this time.
Still researching!
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