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William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby JMcK » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:59 am

William SUTHERLAND and Margaret URQUHART were married on 8th September 1865 in Edinburgh.
He was a Private in the 79th Highlanders. The son of James Sutherland (Pensioner) and Elizabeth MS Lofts? Tofts? (Image attached)
Margaret the dau of James URQUHART and Margaret WHITE
William must have died because Margaret then married Samuel RILEY in Kasauli, Bengal in 1870. I think I have found the death of William on 12 December 1868 (indexed on Family Search but I cannot find the original image. Nothing on FIBIS that I can see)
Anyway - Once she was married to Samuel, Margaret went on to have children about every 18-24 months so where are the children she presumably had with William?
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby sdup26 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:33 am

If Margaret married Samuel in Bengal, did she live there with William? If so, have you checked FIBIS for infant Sutherland deaths? It's possible William was unable to father children, or he did, but they didn't survive.
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby JMcK » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:21 am

I presume she went to India where the 73rd were based with William. The death I have for William is for Wellington, Madras.
I may not be using the search on FIBIS to its fullest extent but I haven’t found any children.
Of course they may not have been able to conceive, but it is interesting never the less, considering the number she had with Samuel.
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby ciderdrinker » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:22 pm

Hi
The death you have is for
William Sutherland of pulmonary TB 12 Dec 1868 at South Black town,Wellington, Madras pensioner age 48.
Does that fit your man?
There is also a William Sutherland who died at Jullundur Bengal.
Drum major in the 92nd Highlanders age 35 of cholera and deleriam tremors. 12 May 1869.
I can't see any children either.

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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby JMcK » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:12 pm

Thank you cider drinker, the other William you have found sounds much more likely, especially as Samuel Riley the second husband was in the 92nd, but maybe still a little old. William who m Margaret was 27 in 1865, so born abt 1838.

Later, where did you find the 1869 death Ciderdrinker? I cannot see it.
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby Sylcec » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:00 am

Findmypast has the contract with the British Library to index and digitise India Office records. I have not found birth/baptism of a child to William and Margaret Sutherland 1866-1870. She could have had miscarriages which wouldn't be recorded.

Some of my concerns are that William was a Pte in the 79th Highlanders in 1865, but at his possible death was a drum major in the 92nd.
Another red herring? - On 30 April 1869 at Roorkee, a William Sutherland, 28, Sergt 79th Highlanders gets married to Mary Muir, 15.

To be sure of which William's death was for Margaret's husband, you would need to have someone look at the Muster and pay lists at Kew for 79th from 1865 to find evidence that he changed regiments.
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby JMcK » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:06 am

Eek, too many William Sutherlands!

This is my step mother’s family. She is a descendant of Margaret Urquhuart and Samuel Riley. One of their children who was born in Scotland (I haven’t bothered to buy them all) has her mother as Margaret Riley, previously Sutherland, M.S. Urquhuart, which I take to imply there was no secrecy or shame about the previous marriage so therefore unlikely to be a divorce or bigamous second marriages.

I’ll have to do the Kew thing. (Wonder if I can persuade my son who is on his OE in London to go ;-))
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby ianbee » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:44 pm

Samuel and Margaret don't have any Sutherland children with them in 1881
William's family seem to be at 7 Richmond Place, Edinburgh, in the census 1861-81
Last son John born 1860 (is on FamilySearch, John Crosby Sutherland, 26 October 1860)
James is also described as a Pensioner in the census, born Cape of Good Hope. 1871 census says 93rd Regiment
So his service record is on findmypast.
Perhaps William was born abroad? He can't really have been much older than he said he was on the marriage, if at all, judging on all the evidence.

If in 1861 William Sutherland might have been in the 79th, there are three on the WW Army Index, all stationed at Ferozepore East Indies
520, Private (can be eliminated by army record)
3194, Private, Corporal (must have been promoted in 61!),
4059, Private
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby ianbee » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:21 pm

William's death was announced in the Inverness Courier, 24 June 1869

At Jullunder, India, on the 12th ult., WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, Drum-Major of the 92d Highlanders, eldest son of James Sutherland, 7 Richmond Place, Edinburgh, late Drum-Major of the 93d Highlanders, aged 31 years and 7 months—deeply regretted.
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Re: William Sutherland m Margaret Urquhart. Children?

Postby JMcK » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:02 pm

As always, Thank you so much Ianbee.

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