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Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby MoVidger » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:00 pm

I’ve just received Leanda’s 1909 birth certificate and it’s very curious indeed. Here are the details:

Sub-district: Hellingly in the County of Sussex
Name: Leanda King
Born: 3 December 1908, Brickfield, Polegate, Hailsham
Mother: Mary Ann King – Housekeeper (domestic)
Father: blank
Informant: W (?) Frost – Occupier, Brickfield, Polegate, Hailsham
Birth registered: 13 January 1909

I’m not sure if Brickfield refers to a dwelling or farm perhaps? I have no idea who the informant is. I’ve tried to find anyone named ‘Frost’ in the 1901 & 1911 census reports for Polegate, but no luck so far.

My question is: I’ve tried to locate Leanda (with or without Mary Ann) in the 1911 census, but I can’t find seem to find her. Family rumour has it that Leanda may have been descended from “travellers”. However, I don’t know if that means her parents were associated with travellers, or that she was raised by travellers.

There is a Mary Ann King born in Hailsham in late 1892 (mother’s maiden name Bidwell), but that would make her awfully young if she was Leanda’s mum. There are several Ancestry member trees which include this Mary Ann King, but none of them mention her having a daughter named Leanda. This Mary Ann can be found living with her parents Charles & Mary Ann King in 1911 (but no sign of a daughter). Also, this lady married a man named Neakes/Noakes in 1912.

Any help or suggestions will be gratefully received! :) (I have Leanda's details from her 1933 marriage until her death, so it's just her early life I am trying to research).
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Halisham

Postby Amazinggrace » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:16 pm

hi, is the place Hailsham in Sussex? not Halisham?
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby MoVidger » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:21 pm

Hi Grace -- sorry it was a typo. It is indeed Hailsham. I've corrected my original post.
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby sdup26 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:54 pm

There's a William Frost, b1886, single, nurseryman carter, living in West Down, Heathfield, Hailsham, in 1911 (with parents Francis and Jane).
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby MoVidger » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:18 pm

Hi sdup26 - that's an interesting census find. I'll check this person out further. My only concern is that Heathfield is about 10 miles north of Polegate.

I find it curious that the informant of this birth registration is listed as "occupier" -- yet there's no actual address -- unless 'Brickfield' is a farm, etc. I'm still googling it. And I haven't found it listed in the 1911 census. My search continues...
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby MoVidger » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:31 pm

Update: I've just found a mention for a 'Brickfield' in a Scrapbook record on TNA's website:

Description:
"Containing copy and original photographs, postcards, newscuttings and notes concerning Polegate; 1865 - 1999. 15r Brickfield (from 1890 to 1933), and its site at the west end of Brook Street (now Brookside Avenue); nd, c1890 - 1981".

I've googled a map for Brookside Avenue, and the area west of it appears to be farm land ? Perhaps the family rumour regarding Leanda's origins may have some merit...who knows.
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby AntonyM » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:48 pm

Brickfield could be a generic name for a brick making area or brickworks - as you have found there is one listed in Polegate at that time - old maps show the land around what is now Brookside Avenue was a brickworks.

GRO rules about informant qualifications to register a birth define an "Occupier" as any person who occupies the house or establishment where the birth took place, so long as they were aware of the birth. They can be an owner or a tenant. As a qualification it can sometimes be used as a work around to allow an unmarried father to register a birth ( who couldn't do so otherwise).

If they were travellers they could have been intinerant labour staying/working at the brickworks.
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby sdup26 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:24 pm

This could just be coincidence, but in view of the family rumour about travellers...
Hampshire Chronicle 28/12/1907
"Frederick Saunders, Alfred Cooper, Mary Ann King (and 3 others) all gipsies, at present living in Crookham, were each fined 1s plus costs 4s for allowing their horses to stray at Crookham on 10th December."

I know what you mean about William Frost being 10 miles away in 1911, but we don't know where he was in 1908/9, and he was a carter, so presumably, he travelled.
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby MoVidger » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:32 pm

Thanks for the very helpful info sdup26 and AntonyM. Well, the newspaper mention certainly refers to Mary Ann King. I wonder if either of those two gents mentioned could be the father of Leanda? I will investigate them, as well.

So the question remains, where is Leanda in the 1911 census? Unless she and her mum were living "off the grid" at census time. All I know is she had ventured up to Sittingbourne, Kent by the 1930s.
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Re: Leanda KING (1908-1963) – Hailsham

Postby sdup26 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:50 pm

Sorry about this, but if it's a mention of Mary Ann, at least we know she was in Sussex in 1912:
Sussex Agricultural Express 28/6/1912
"Neither Edward Drinkwater nor Mary Ann King put in an appearance to answer charges of drunkenness at East Grinstead, and warrants for their arrest were ordered to be issued."
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