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struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby lisap » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:45 pm

hello,

I cannot find a marriage record for my paternal great-grandparents. My great-grandad was called John O'Connor and my great-granny was called Mary Kane on my granny's birth certificate.
My granny was born 1925/6, but all i know is that my great-grandparents were Irish and they lived in Aston, Birmingham.
No-one else on my dad's side knew much about them, i'm really stuck now! Does anyone have any advice please?
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby JMcK » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:25 pm

Were they all alive in 1939. Ie have you looked at the 1939 register to find their dates of birth?
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby lisap » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:42 pm

I just found them on the 1939 census on Find My Past!
But I only could see they were born 1889.
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby JMcK » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:38 pm

you have their full dates of birth there so you should be able to get birth certificates for them. Actually, the Irish ones are available free online at irishgenalogy.ie but it is possible they were born in England to Irish parents.

Now you know their year of birth. Have you looked for them on the 1911 census, with a name like John O’Connor there are probably quite a few that match, but you have to start somewhere! You need a county of birth I think.
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby JMcK » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:44 pm

there are several Aston births for O’CONNOR with a mother KANE.
Mary, 1922,
Bridget,1926, (Did she marry someone CUNNINGHAM? and die 1991?)
Elizabeth M. (born 1920, may have died 1921) ,
John J. born 1923. (there are two different wives for him suggested on Ancestry trees - possibly died 1984 but considering the varying wives I am suspicious of the accuracy of those trees)

Anyway looking at ages of these children you are presumably looking for a 1919 or 1920 marriage.

Also, don’t forget this was after WW1. Mary Kane may have been widowed, in which case the marriage cert will be under a different surname :-(

Also, did John serve in WW1. Are there any records of this in the family? There is a tantalising entry on Ancestry, a man from Liskcarroll, Cork. But you need a bit more information to be sure.
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby JMcK » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:25 am

This is a possibility. but you need a bit of corroborating evidence

Perhaps making contact with the Navan historical society (to rule out the fact that this couple were sill there through the 1920s) would be useful http://www.navanhistory.ie
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby lisap » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:35 pm

Thank you so much Jmck! I asked my dad if Navan sounded familiar to him and he remembers something being mentioned about it when he was younger, and it definitely could be their marriage.
My dad also said he remembers being told that his grandad John did serve in the war and it was with the horses.
My dad got a little bit upset while I was asking him and he told me his granny; who they knew as Mollie, really didn't like him and he never knew why.
The record of births you found are definitely our family. Bridget is my dad's mum and my granny!! He never knew about Elizabeth or John and the other female was his aunty Maureen.
Thank you so so much for helping me.
What does it mean on the marriage certificate where it asks age and it says full?
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby JMcK » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:47 pm

Age = Full. Means they were over the legal age to get married. It is jolly annoying when they say that instead of 27 or what ever their ages were but it happens a lot.

I found both John and Mary in the 1901 and 1911 census in Ireland. I’ll let you have the thrill of the search but let us know if you can’t find them. Hint. - the ages are a few years out, (this is a common thing, people were not as pedantic about their ages as we are back then).

Also...note the name of the priest who married them, he is on the census too.
It can also useful to follow up the names of the witnesses to a marriage.

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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby lisap » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:33 pm

Hi,

I asked my dad and he said on his grandads side many of the relatives were priests. I have had a search on the census of ireland but i can't tell for sure that i have the right ones!

I think i found my great granny Mary Kane at 31 Trimgate Street in 1911 but cant work out in 1901.

And there are so many Connor famillies with the name John, i'm stuck!

We appreciate your help so much

thank you from lisa
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Re: struggling with great-grandparents marriage record

Postby JMcK » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:04 am

AAGH! I should have saved them!

Anyway so far

here is John in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... d/1617143/

and here is that same family (without John) in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/r ... 003077739/

From which the working theory I have so far is that Arthur had a wife who was the mother of John. Shortly before 1901 he married Ann Waters (sister of Patrick), and then they had the four children listed in 1911. Bridget, Thomas, Mary & Arthur.

Mary’s family in 1901. Same address as in 1911.
She isn’t listed with them. BUT the census form is signed by Mary KANE - so I think that might be her, but she forgot to put her own name down.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/r ... 001125709/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/r ... 003077964/ This is the only Peter KEOGAN (and variants) I can find in 1911 that seems to fit for one of the witnesses

And this seems to be Mary Ann MOORE http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/r ... 003071261/ but neither of those get us any further ahead.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/r ... 003080122/ This might be John Connor the priest in 1911.
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