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Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby energizerdel » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:06 pm

Can anyone help me with finding my gt (x5)grandfather - John Campion. Hopefully I've uploaded the picture correctly, but this is a painting of him about 1810 by W.S. Lethbridge. He was in the Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers and his marriage record in 1795 says he was a Valet de Chambre. Family story was that he had worked for a Duke. Marriage and son's birth is in Essex so wondering why he was part of a regiment in Hadleigh. Can anyone tell me anything about the Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers, or by his uniform what ranking he was. I can't imagine he was an ordinary soldier if he has commissioned a painting done of himself in uniform like this and if that's correct how would a Valet de Chambre move up in the rankings??? This has been my brick wall for thirty years and I'm just stumped trying to find out who he was. His son was George Bryant Campion the famous watercolourist.
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby brunes08 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:34 pm

Have you looked up the definition of a 'valet de chambre'? There is a long article on the Wikipedia site which shows that a valet de chambre was not always the role attributed to it nowadays. It was a far more important position in some instances. This might explain his 'rise' in status particularly if, as you believe, he worked for a Duke.
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:14 pm

Frankly you're not going to get any better reply than you've already got elsewhere in the specialist military forums. The only way to get anything concrete will be to get someone to see if the Muster Books and Pay Lists for the unit survive at TNA in Kew. If....

There were so many of these units that it's little surprise that details of any specific unit are hard to come by. Aside from the sheer fluke of finding someone with a similar interest, your best bets are TNA and newspapers.

The names and ranks (though little else) will be in the Muster Books and Pay Lists - if they survive. If not, I would try to work out what rank he might be. I have very little knowledge of uniform types but I'd start with the idea that he is some sort of officer because of the sword and epaulettes. Something is making me wonder about that cane that he appears to be carrying. If you have a dodgy knee, you're unlikely to be much use as a soldier, so this might have a purpose. Somewhere in the back of my mind, canes were used for measuring by people like Regimental Sergeant Majors. And that might suggest that he is not a conventional officer (who would surely need to be a Gentleman, sorry!) but a trusted chap who is something like the Quartermaster, some of whom, in some circumstances, I believe were basically honorary officers.

All the above might be nonsense I must emphasise but it's the sort of thing that I'd prioritise looking at. It might be useful to put the picture up in the Napoleonic Wars Forum (again?) giving the background but asking specifically if the uniform and accessories indicate an officer, senior NCO or what...

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Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby brunes08 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:16 pm

You say that his marriage and the birth of his son are in Essex. You then query why he he was in the Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers. I'm a wee bit puzzled because there is a town named Hadleigh in south east Essex. There is also one in Suffolk - are you mistaken in which one? Or are you querying why he was a volunteer? Can you be a bit clearer as it would help.
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby energizerdel » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:09 pm

brunes08 wrote:You say that his marriage and the birth of his son are in Essex. You then query why he he was in the Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers. I'm a wee bit puzzled because there is a town named Hadleigh in south east Essex. There is also one in Suffolk - are you mistaken in which one? Or are you querying why he was a volunteer? Can you be a bit clearer as it would help.


Thanks for your answers - as for the description on a valet de chamber - yes I have read quite a few about the job and position. The occupation was often done by noblemen in the 14th-15th centuries but I don't believe this was the case in the late 1700s early 1800s, which is my query on it. As for Hadleigh, I wasn't aware of the one in south east Essex (I live in New Zealand) but from what I have found about the Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers, is that they were a Suffolk unit.

Thanks.
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby energizerdel » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:14 pm

AdrianB38 wrote:Frankly you're not going to get any better reply than you've already got elsewhere in the specialist military forums. The only way to get anything concrete will be to get someone to see if the Muster Books and Pay Lists for the unit survive at TNA in Kew. If....

The names and ranks (though little else) will be in the Muster Books and Pay Lists - if they survive. If not, I would try to work out what rank he might be. I have very little knowledge of uniform types but I'd start with the idea that he is some sort of officer because of the sword and epaulettes. Something is making me wonder about that cane that he appears to be carrying. If you have a dodgy knee, you're unlikely to be much use as a soldier, so this might have a purpose. Somewhere in the back of my mind, canes were used for measuring by people like Regimental Sergeant Majors. And that might suggest that he is not a conventional officer (who would surely need to be a Gentleman, sorry!) but a trusted chap who is something like the Quartermaster, some of whom, in some circumstances, I believe were basically honorary officers.

All the above might be nonsense I must emphasise but it's the sort of thing that I'd prioritise looking at. It might be useful to put the picture up in the Napoleonic Wars Forum (again?) giving the background but asking specifically if the uniform and accessories indicate an officer, senior NCO or what...


Thanks Adrian, I haven't been able to get anyone to look at Kew for me, unfortunately I live in New Zealand and unable to do it myself. "Frankly you're not going to get any better reply than you've already got elsewhere in the specialist military forums" I haven't had any other answers and didn't know about any other specialist military forums. I thought this was the only military forum are you able to help me find the Napoleonic Forum, I can't seem to find it. I didn't even think about the cane, but I really appreciate your thoughts on this, anything small may help and I had no idea about why he may have had one. Thanks so much for your answer.
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby ianbee » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:57 pm

energizerdel wrote:I'm just stumped trying to find out who he was. His son was George Bryant Campion the famous watercolourist.

According to FreeReg the marriage of John Campion and Patty Bryant in Harwich in 1795 was by licence.
I haven't found any sign of anything on that though, either in Essex, or in the Canterbury records.
You can look through some surviving marriage allegations for the Archdeaconry of Colchester for the period here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=279372

George Bryant Campion's marriage in London in 1821 was witnessed by another George Campion?
Just about the only reference I can find anywhere to any Patty Campion is a Death Duty Registers Index entry in 1811. Which puts that person in Bedford? Looks like it is a PCC administration. No idea who it was.
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:02 pm

I meant outside the WDYTYA Forum - for instance on http://www.forces-war-records.co.uk where you posted the picture, according to Mr Google - I was looking for any help I could find for myself!

Apologies though - I misinterpreted the FWR forum as another - the one you really must try, the one where the Napoleonic era experts hang out, is http://www.napoleonicwarsforum.com/ - though I can't speak from experience as it's not one I've used myself.

The other possibility is http://www.rootschat.com/forum/armed-forces/ - but that's more general.

I just had a quick glance at the napoleonicwarsforum, searched on militia and found a thread discussing precise types of sword, so if you can get an image of the sword, there's something else for interpretation!
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby ianbee » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:23 pm

AdrianB38 wrote:I meant outside the WDYTYA Forum - for instance on http://www.forces-war-records.co.uk

That's interesting, it's exactly the same thread as on British-Genealogy.com (The Following User Says Thank You to ....For This Useful Post - "MrsPoppy" in this case)
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threa ... 48fd0b0a6e
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Re: Hadleigh Loyal Volunteers abt. 1810

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:26 pm

Duplicated forums do you think?

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