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Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby pforkes » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:00 pm

Sarah Hall is my great grand aunt. She was born on 14th December, 1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire and was baptized on 31st December, 1848, at St. Mary’s Church in Bilston.

Her parents were Enoch Hall and Fanny Pendrille Hall (née Millard).

The 1851 census has her living with her parents and siblings on Duck Lane in Bilston and the 1861 census has her living with her parents and siblings on Tame Street, Bilston.

I have a marriage certificate (that I have attached) that shows that she married Thomas Isaac Holton on 12th September, 1870, in Sedgley, Staffordshire. His occupation is shown as “puddler”.

The 1871 census has her living with her parents (as a “puddlers wife” but her husband is not living with her at the time of the census).

There after, her trail pretty much goes dead.

Thomas Isaac Holten (her husband) appears to be from Plymouth, Devon, and may have returned there to become a sailor. If this is him, then how did he move from being a puddler to a sailor?

Can anyone else help me to find out what happened to her?

Thanks (again),
Peter
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby brunes08 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:52 pm

The census only records one night every ten years. Just because Thomas is not with Sarah on that night in 1871 does not necessarily indicate they are not living together. Many people are in places not expected - just visiting family or away for work and so on. Where did you find the information that Thomas was from Plymouth? That might be helpful for us to know as his name is not uncommon.
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby pforkes » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:42 pm

I mentioned that he "appears" to be from Plymouth (I have found references to a Thomas Isaac Holten referring to Plymouth/Devon). This is where I get stuck.

Thanks,

Peter
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby sdup26 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:53 pm

There are references to a Thomas Holten, born c1847 in Plymouth, on Liverpool crew lists, which could be just a name coincidence. It doesn't seem likely he'd be a puddler in Staffs in 1870, then at sea in 1871, when Sarah was still calling herself a puddler's wife in that year's census. Thomas was born about 1847; have you found him with his father George in 1851?
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby pforkes » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:50 pm

sdup26 wrote:have you found him with his father George in 1851?


I have not yet found him in ANY census!
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby jakval » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:58 am

What was the occupation of father George (marriage cert.) also surname of 2nd witness Ann.
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby pforkes » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:25 pm

I believe that he first witness' name is John Millard (Millard was Sarah Hall's mother's maiden name, so there is probably a connection there such as uncle or cousin).

The second witness' surname appears to be Hughes (but I could be wrong) and I cannot read the second witness' given name.

As to what Thomas Holten's father's occupation is, I cannot tell (but it may begin with a "F").

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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby ianbee » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:58 pm

I think the occupation of George might be File Cutter.
A lot of file cutters are in Sheffield.
So this one in Sedgley in 1851 might be interesting
piece 2031 folio 228 page 24
George Orton 28 File Cutter, born Darlaston
Ann Orton 27 Tipton
Mary Orton 5 Tipton
Thomas Orton 3 Sedgley
Harriot Orton 1 Tipton
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby ianbee » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:07 pm

In 1861 the Ortons are in Harborne. Piece 2126 folio 21 page 36
George Orton, 37, still a File Cutter.
Has the son Thomas from 1851 become Isaac here?
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Re: Sarah Hall (born1848 in Bilston, Staffordshire).

Postby ianbee » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:15 pm

1881 census, courtesy of FamilySearch
Name: Sarah Orton
Relationship: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Age: 33
Birthplace: Bilston, Staffordshire
Place: Sandbach, Cheshire
Registration District: Congleton
Piece/Folio/Page: 3537/84/21
Household:
Isaac Orton Head 33 Iron Worker
Sarah Orton Wife 33
Eliza J Orton Daughter 10
Ann Orton Daughter 9
Mary Orton Daughter 7
Thomas S Orton Son 6
Charlotte Orton Daughter 3
Joseph Orton Son 0

That youngest child
Dec 1880 Congleton 8a 283
Orton, Joseph
mother's maiden surname Hall

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