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Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 census

Postby Simon45 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:25 am

What's the best way to find ancestors before 1837 registrations and before 1841 census

As before 1837 the parents names are not on the birth or marriage records

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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby sdup26 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:14 pm

Before registration and the censuses, it's 'back to basics' with parish records. Many are on subscription sites like findmypast and ancestry, but there are good free sites too, including:
http://www.freereg.org.uk
http://www.familysearch.org
http://www.dustydocs.org
It's true some parish marriage records may not have the parents' names of the bride and groom, or may show their fathers only, but birth records should give mother and father. If you've got a particular problem, try posting it on this forum.
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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby Simon45 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:26 pm

Hi
Thanks for the reply

I'm not sure if the parents names are on parish records though ..?


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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby sdup26 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:21 pm

I think your second post crossed with my editing of my reply to your original query.
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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby Simon45 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:36 pm

Sorry , yes I did

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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby Mick Loney » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:37 am

Sadly, what sdup said is slightly incorrect regards parish records. It is true that for christenings, later ones tended to include both parents names, but you'll come across earlier ones that just refer to the father, with no clue to mothers name at all. Likewise with marriage records. Later ones include both fathers and their occupations, but earlier ones just show the bride and groom. Earlier still, you'll find them written in a crude Latin

With regards to Familysearch, people forget that there are plenty of unindexed records available to browse, sometimes on-line.

To find these, you need to search the 'Catalog', rather than 'Records' (on Familysearch menu)

Enter the place you're interested in, select it from the suggestions presented, and in the 'Where' box, select 'On-Line' then 'Enter'

You will be presented with a list of records held for the place, and hopefully you'll see church records listed.
Click on this and you will see a list of 'Films' that contain various types of records for various periods.
The icon on the right will tell you whether that particular film is searchable, on microfilm or scanned images.

It is the last one you want to see (scanned images). Click on the icon and if you are lucky, the scanned image will be available on-line, otherwise they may only be viewed at a Family History Centre or by members of the Church.

You may need to register to view the ones available on-line, but registration is free and without any obligations with regards to joining the church.


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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby sdup26 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:13 am

Thanks for the reminder Mick - you're right about parish births not always naming both parents, although I did say "should" give both - bit of wishful thinking there!
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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby Simon45 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:45 am

Thanks for all the information
Hopefully I will find something

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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:11 am

Remember that 2 people can have the same name. You may end up with 2 candidates for the baptism of someone. What you then have to do is come forward in time to see what happened to the 2 people with that name in that area and era. It may be that one died as a child, and registers often record the father's name in such a case. That tells you which one that person was and so the one that you are left with ought to be yours. But there may be other ways to tell them apart such as wills or witnesses at weddings with distinctive names.

Of course, if you are looking for a John Smith in London, it might be easier to take up a different hobby!

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Re: Finding ancestors before 1837 Registrations / 1841 censu

Postby Mick Loney » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:04 am

Word of caution. Not everything is solved with the GRO indexes either. Even when you know mothers surname, a birth you find, that matches surname of mother, may not be your family. It often happens that there is more than one marriage involving the same surnames in the same area. A bit of extra detective work is then required to see which child goes with which couple, either censuses or christening records.


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