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Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby art600 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:40 am

Can anyone explain why families exist having members that can marry as a Patrick, but subsequently refer to themselves as Theobald.

An example is:-

Thomas Nicholls married Martha Patrick in Sudbury, Suffolk 18 Oct 1836. When she registered the birth of her children, it is noted Martha Nicholls formerly Theobald.
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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby art600 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:39 am

Wish it were that simple.

First marriage and name given as Patrick.

There are many examples where people switch. Makes it very difficult trying to track details for family members.
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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:59 am

If you have multiple Patrick / Theobald pairs for different people, then we are probably looking at an alias acquired some time previously that is still being carried on. My GG-GF Griffiths often used the surname Maddocks and the dual usage can occasionally be seen in the next generation. In his case he first married under the name of Maddocks, split up with her, and then married my GG-GM bigamously. To cover his tracks he married under the name Griffiths. Not a particularly good cover-up as he seemed to use either name afterwards, so much so that one of the sons was baptised as "Griffiths alias Maddocks".

Now in his case, the dual usage was only intermittent in the next generation but other cases may see the dual usage continuing and becoming a tradition in its own right.

Something like this may be the explanation in your case. You can only research backwards and hope that you see the answer. My example is just one of several ways how aliases can arise.

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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby ianbee » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:40 pm

Marriage is indexed as Thomas Nicholls and Martha Pattrick
From her age and place of birth in the census, a possible baptism
Name: Martha Pattrick
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 July 1813
Birth Date: 4 July 1813
Christening Place: All Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk
Father's Name: Samuel Pattrick
Mother: Elizabeth
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

There is a 15 year old Sarah Theobold in the Nicholls household in 1841 (in All Saints)

art600 wrote:Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Where does Bulmer come in?
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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby ianbee » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:43 pm

Birth registration of first son?
Sep 1837 Sudbury 12 319
Nicholls, Thomas Cranmer
mother Partrick

Died in 1838

Baptism of Sarah Theobold from 1841?
Name: Sarah Pattrick
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1 April 1824
Birth Date: 21 March 1824
Father's Name: Samuel Pattrick
Mother: Elizabeth
Christening Place: All Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby ianbee » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:00 pm

Here's Bulmer!
Chelmsford Chronicle, 8 April 1853
STEALING BEANS.— Henry Pattrick, alias Theobald, 22, and Samuel Pattrick, alias Theobald, 62, labourers, were indicted for stealing about five pints of beans, the property of D. Badham, Esq. at Bulmer.—Mr. Walford prosecuted, and Mr.Hamilton defended the prisoners.—The jury acquitted both prisoners.
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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby art600 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:20 pm

All details you posted are correct.

Sarah Pattrick and Sarah Theobald are the same person. The additional 'T' appears to disappea over time.

Thanks for the news item
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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby Mick Loney » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:00 am

My first thought is illegitimacy somewhere along the line. If a woman surname Theobald had an illegitimate son, then married a Mr Patrick, the son may have changed his name to Patrick then changed it back when he got older.
I have such a case in my own tree, when Sarah Thompson gave birth to Frederick, followed shortly afterward by a marriage to John Bailey. Throughout the census's, Fred referred himself as Fred Thompson Bailey or Fred Bailey Thompson, as a means of reflecting both his birth name and adopted name.

In another case, a relative changed his name completely following his nefarious criminal activities. His prosecution was in his birth name alias new name. One of his children was regisered under his real surname, the other under his alias.


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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby ianbee » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:19 am

Mick Loney wrote:My first thought is illegitimacy somewhere along the line.

The Patricks are indeed in Bulmer.
In the 1851 census we have Samuel Patrick, 61, Ag Lab, wife Elizabeth Patrick, 61, and children who were born either in Sudbury or Bulmer (piece 1788 folio 126 page 16)
Samuel says he was born in Bulmer.

FreeREG has some transcriptions for Bulmer.
A baptism there, 13 Feb 1791, Samuel Patrick, parents Saml + Mary.
Likely marriage at Bulmer, 30 Nov 1790, Samuel Patrick and Mary Horsley.

And a baptism at Bulmer, 21 January 1770, of Samuel Patrick, base son of Jane
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Re: Theobald alias Patrick in Bulmer Essex

Postby ianbee » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:46 am

Was Samuel registered as a Theobold on death?
June 1869 Sudbury 4a 281
Theobald, Samuel
age 78

He was buried at Bulmer, 18 April 1869
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=489049
There's also another Samuel Theobold buried there, 24 August 1838, age 69

Elizabeth Patrick seems to be still alive in 1871, a widow, aged 82.
Possible death reg
Sep 1877 Sudbury 4a 268
Pattrick, Elizabeth
age 89
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