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Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby Mick Loney » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:36 am

Can anyone sort this cunumdrum:

Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill married in Prescot RD in 1870, and are both from Warrington
1871 Thomas & Mary are living alone in High Street, Runcorn
1881 Thomas & Mary are living alone at 14 High Street, Runcorn
1891 Thomas & Mary are same address, with a daughter Flora Sharrocks age 16, born Lancashire
1901 Thomas & Mary have moved to Stockton Heath, and are shown with a daughter Florence Sharrocks age 18 born Warrington
1911 Thomas is a widower, living in Lymm, with adopted daughter Florence Waldron/w, single, age 26 born London Chelsea. He states his marriage produced no children.

The question is, are Flora Sharrocks (1875), Florence Sharrocks (1883) and Florence Waldron (1885) the same person?
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Re: Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby sdup26 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:13 am

Not sure about the Florence Waldron, born c1885 in London, housekeeper for Thomas in 1911. In 1901, there's a Florence Waldron, servant, born c1883 in London, in the household of Dr George Clarke, Middlesex. Is it possible Thomas felt it might be a source of gossip to have such a young woman as a housekeeper, so referred to her as a member of his family?
In 1891, 'Flora' Sharrocks, living with Thomas and Mary, was born 1875. The Florence Sharrocks living with them in 1901 was born 1883. A couple of years out either way with age is OK, but 8 years? Is this really the same person?
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Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby Mick Loney » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Sdip,
My thoughts too. However if Flora's age should have been 6 rather than 16, all 'Flo's are within a reasonable margin of error age wise. It was that and the birth places that threw me, two Lancashire then a Chelsea!
Perhaps he just had a thing for girls called Florence - :) :)


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Re: Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby sdup26 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:34 pm

The Florence who was housekeeping for Thomas in 1911 was an 'outsider' whereas the other two Flo's were local so could be related to Thomas and Mary. But Thomas seemed confused about how to describe the relationship in 1891 - Mary is 'wife' and Flora is 'ditto'....

There's a birth entry for a Florence Sharrock SQ 1884, Runcorn 8a 234, mother's maiden name Noden. Does the name mean anything to you?
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Re: Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby ianbee » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:02 pm

Thomas Sharrocks has moved by 1913, to "Elmfield", Knutsford Road, Grappenhall.His previous address in Lymm is noted.
He's still on the electoral registers at that address after the war. I don't think anyone else is listed, I haven't checked every one.
There's a little gap in the coverage, he's on 1926, but not after.
Did he die in 1928, age 83?
Probate record for Thomas Sharrocks of 6 Pool Lane Statham. Died 10 June 1928. Executor is named as Frederic Rose, schoolmaster.

There's a Florence Louisa Sharrocks who died in 1959 age 75
Probate for her too. A spinster, she died in hospital, 27 March 1956. Address 16 Euclid Avenue Grappenhall (just round the corner from Knutsford Road!)
One of the named executors is Eric Leslie Rose, material control clerk.

Interesting, because there's an Eric Leslie Rose, birth registered March 1901, Runcorn. In the census shortly afterwards he is in Stockton Heath, son of Frederick + Hilda Rose. Father is a School Master!
Possibly Thomas's executor? Is there a connection there?

1939 Register, at 16 Euclid Avenue, Runcorn R.D.
Amy B Garnett, born 20 Aug 74, Single, Teacher (retired)
Florence L Sharrocks, born 21 Feb 85, Single, Unpaid domestic duties
Findmypast has transcribed them as Amy P Garnett + Florence L Sahrrocks

First time I can find them together on electoral registers is in 1930, at 30 Fairfield Road, Stockton Heath. Amy Blanche Garnett and Florence Louisa Sharrocks.

But still I can't say for sure if this Florence is your lady (or one of them!)
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Re: Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby ianbee » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:15 pm

ianbee wrote:there's an Eric Leslie Rose, birth registered March 1901, Runcorn

Mother's maiden name Garnett.

The plot thickens! May all depend on two ifs
Is it your Thomas who died in 1928
Was Eric Leslie Rose's father the executor named on that probate - Frederic Rose, schoolmaster.
In 1911 the Roses are still in Stockton Heath.

ianbee wrote:he's on 1926, but not after

What I meant was, "not later" (after the gap!)
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Re: Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby Mick Loney » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:41 am

sdup,
The Florence born 1884 in Runcorn, her parents were William Sharrock and Ann France Noden, and can be found with her parents in 1891, so we can eliminate that one - Thanks

ianbee,
I have assumed that the Death in 1928 is my Thomas, and it seems to be confirmed by lack of electoral rolls after 1827 (thanks for the hint).
I found found the electoral roll information for him, so I can add to my knowledge about him, but as he is only a distant cousin of my grandsons and not a direct ancestor (1st Cousin 5 times removed) I shan't be digging too deep. :D

As for Florence, as I do know she is not NOT a blood relative, I'll enquire no further into her either, but thanks for your help.
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Re: Thomas Sharrocks and Mary Elizabeth Gill

Postby sdup26 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:04 am

Thanks for that Mick - I found the Runcorn Florence with parents William and Ann (Noden) after I'd posted, and was going to change my post, but computer played up!
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