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Help with attestation record please

Postby hmclem » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:03 am

Hi all
I have found the attached attestation record for my great grandfather John Davis but am having a little difficulty understanding it as there seems to be a few date ranges and regiments referred to.

This also through up something interesting for me as we had all assumed that he was born in Ireland as he was married there and the first two of his children were born there but this record suggests that he was born in Bristol. I was hoping to find records would confirm this and also help me to find out how he met Johanna in Ireland and further details about his family i.e father etc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Helen
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Re: Help with attestation record please

Postby Sylcec » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:42 pm

From Irish Genealogy.ie Civil Regn records:
Marriage of JOHN DAVIS and JOHANNA BLANCHE
on 03 September 1912
Group Registration ID 1912660
SR District/Reg Area Waterford
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Re: Help with attestation record please

Postby Sylcec » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:48 pm

This is probably him with his family in 1901:
Class: RG13; Piece: 2384; Folio: 22; Page: 4
Name: John Davis
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: William Davis
Mother: Margaret Davis
Birth Place: St Philips Bristol
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
William Davis 29
Margaret Davis 29
William Davis 10
John Davis 9
Thomas Davis 7
Bridget Davis 5
George Davis 3
Isaac Davis 1
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Re: Help with attestation record please

Postby hmclem » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:46 pm

Thanks Sylcec. That is really helpful and will really help me taking that step further back :)

Do you also know what all the abbreviations etc refer to on the attestation record. Would love to learn more about Johns time in the military.
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Re: Help with attestation record please

Postby AdrianB38 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:52 pm

Not quite sure how legible my notes are but...

Number = 1004137 (this number was assigned about 1920)
R = Regular soldier
Davis, John

Attested (i.e. signed up) 5/10/1909 at 18y in Bristol, joining the Royal Field Artillery (see Medal Index Card). No idea where he served to start with, I'm afraid, but the answer will be on his service papers, which will be with the Ministry of Defence.

I think that he's then in the AR (Army Reserve) 5/10/1912 to 6/8/1914. See http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/enlisting-into-the-army/british-army-reserves-and-reservists/ This means that he's finished his intended period in uniform but can be called up again if necessary, until he's completed the period that he signed up for - 12y usually.

And guess what - that's what happens at the start of WW1. He's mobilised (in uniform) 6/8/1914 to 20/2/1919.

Then transferred into Section B of Army Reserve 21/2/1919 - out of uniform again, until...

He's mobilised again 10/4/1921 to 3/6/1921 - this is in connection with some labour disputes, I think - they might have been using troops for dock work, etc.???

Born St James area of Bristol.

He's in France 1914-17, Italy 1917-18, then France 1918-19.

He gets the 1914 Star, also the British War Medal and Victory Medal.

He's finally discharged 4/10/1921 at Woolwich. This is 12y after he attested, so clearly that's what he signed up for - 12y in total with just 3y in uniform (that was the intention) and the rest in the Reserve. Of course, he spent a bit more than 3y in uniform in the end.

Cause of discharge = T of E = Terms of Engagement = he'd reached the end of the 12y that he signed up for.

Rank = Bombardier
Character = Exemplary.

Not sure about "Serial No w 9690" (Now?)

It also says "Former Regimental Num 59382" - that's his earlier number in the RA because that's on his Medal Index Card.

Before he joined the artillery he's served from 1/1/1909 - 5/10/1909 in the 3rd Battalion (Special Reserve) of the Gloucester Regiment - the SR is a sort of Territorial reserve for the Regular army.

The Medal Index Card shows he entered France 17/8/1914 - initially as a Driver, then a Bombardier. He also gets a Clasp to go on his 1914 Star, which is given to those units under fire in the initial period of the war. 1914 Star with Clasp is as impressive as it gets!
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Re: Help with attestation record please

Postby hmclem » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:49 pm

Wow thank you Adrian. That is fantastic help.

I wonder if I will be able to get his service records from the MoD.

I am impressed with the star with clasp. Makes me feel proud :)
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