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How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby CaronW » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:10 pm

Following on from my post - Brickwall - Death Alice Hancock: I have obtained a certificate showing the death of a female child of an Alice Hancock, in the sub-district of Elton in the county of Bury, on 14th January 1924. The child was newly born and the cause of death was suffocation soon after birth. An inquest was held on 27th February 1924 and the certificate was received from the coroner for Lancashire. Verdict - manslaughter by neglect of the said Alice Hancock.

I'd like to know how to find out if this is the Alice I am looking for. Any suggestions please? Thank you.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby CaronW » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:25 pm

Thank you, J McKinnon. I have ordered the Birth Certificate. I had been focusing on the inquest. Still trying to find out what happened to Alice after 1914.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby MayHam » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:51 am

Was Gertrude's married name Turner? I notice that is handwritten above Hancock in the 1939 census.
If not, there was an Alice Turner who died in Bury in the June quarter of 1927.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby junkers » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:14 am

Normally the death of a child of this age would come under infanticide, which normally ended with a 5 or 7 year sentence, unless they were mentally ill in which case they would go into an asylum. I would have expected there to be an entry in the Calendar of Prisoners for Lancashire (series HO 140 at The National Archives), you need to put an Freedom of Information request to the National Archives to see the entry and it should give a little more information, but most cases would have been in the newspapers and I can't see anything.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby CaronW » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:59 pm

MayHam wrote:Was Gertrude's married name Turner? I notice that is handwritten above Hancock in the 1939 census.
If not, there was an Alice Turner who died in Bury in the June quarter of 1927.


Yes, Gertrude married a John Alan Fowkes Turner on 14/9/1957.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby CaronW » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:18 pm

JMcKinnon wrote:I can't see any report in the newspapers. But what happened to her after being found guilty. I don't think in those days they would have sent her home. Would they?
What is your reasoning for discounting the Alice in the Lancashire County Mental Asylum?


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Thank you. I have presumed that the Alice Hancock on the 1939 Register was the Alice Hancock born in Lancaster in 1890 (1st quarter) (v8e, p735) and died in Lancaster in 1947 (1st quarter) (v10c, p745).

On the 1939 Register (Lancashire County Mental Asylum) Alice Hancock is listed as 'nurse domestic'. On the death certificate of the newly born female child, Alice Hancock is described as a 'single woman, machinist in a slipper works'. I have sent for the infant's birth certificate in the hope that it will confirm that this is the Alice I am trying to trace. (Still no trace of a death though for Alice)
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby CaronW » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:21 pm

junkers wrote:Normally the death of a child of this age would come under infanticide, which normally ended with a 5 or 7 year sentence, unless they were mentally ill in which case they would go into an asylum. I would have expected there to be an entry in the Calendar of Prisoners for Lancashire (series HO 140 at The National Archives), you need to put an Freedom of Information request to the National Archives to see the entry and it should give a little more information, but most cases would have been in the newspapers and I can't see anything.


Thank you - will do.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby CaronW » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:52 pm

I have edited my first post - date of death was 14th January 1924 and not 14th February 1924.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby CaronW » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:57 pm

I have just received the birth certificate - the birth was registered the day after the death was registered by an E. Thorp 'Occupier' of the same address as Alice Hancock, the mother.

The certificate does not give me any further clue, apart from this E Thorp who I don't know. The baby was illegitimate so no father's name. So I still don't know if this is 'my' Alice.

Does 'occupier' mean anything apart from the obvious?

As an aside, can the 1939 Register be searched for an address? I don't have access at the moment.

Many thanks.
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Re: How to Obtain Details of an Inquest (Follow on Post)

Postby MayHam » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:52 am

1939 - 11 Talbot Grove , Bury C.B., Lancashire, England
Edward D Thorp 02 Jul 1904 Male Wood Turner Married 297 1
Mary Thorp 18 Sep 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 297 2
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 2F024%2F18

1939 - 22 James Street , Bury C.B., Lancashire, England
Gertrude Turner (Hancock) 31 May 1914 Female Post Office Telegraphist Single 160 2
Amelia M Crowther 04 Mar 1860 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 160 1
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 2F011%2F38
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