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Unable to find a birth certificate

Postby » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:40 pm

Is their anybody out there who could help me solve a family mystery. My stepfather , Charles William Harras was told that he was
born in Swindon on the 24th of January 1911. We have been unable to find his birth certificate despite extensive searches.
His brother Walter Sydney Harras was born in Bath 8th of August 1912. His sister. Edna May Harras was born in Bath 5th of
January 1914, I have both their certificates. Edna died in Stratton Workhouse 29th of December 1914
Their parents were Charles William Harras a journeyman tailor and Elise Petronela (Frost, Sshmidt). Charles William is recorded as having been in Swindon in 1914, he was later sent to the Isle of Man prisoner Camp as he had been born in Germany. Elsie without the children accompanied, her Mother Elsie Frost and her Stepfather Anton Frost to Germany when they were sent back to Germany in ?1917. I can not find Charles and Elsie's marriage either!
Anton was a Hairdresser who worked in London but who was German
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Re: Unable to find a birth certificate

Postby MayHam » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:22 pm

Tried to find your stepfather in the 1911 census (which was said to have been taken April 2nd) but without success.

There was a Charles Hars of Germany who married Ethel Maud Smith in 1900 in Shoreditch.

They had three children.
GRO Reference: 1900  J Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 50

GRO Reference: 1901  J Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 53

GRO Reference: 1906  J Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 23

1911: 79 St Anns Road S Tottenham N, Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Charles Hars Head Married Male Waiter (T. Ligons Comp.) 34 1877 Hamburg Germany
Ethel Hars Wife Married Female - 34 1877 Nottingham
Arthur Hars Son - Male - 10 1901 London City
Elsie Hars Daughter - Female - 9 1902 London City
Walter Hars Son - Male - 5 1906 London City
Fritz Kroll Boarder - Male Waiter (Royal Mail City) 23 1888 Quedlinburg Germany Resident ... 2f0569%2f1

There was also the following.
Not sure if it's the same family, though, since he isn't listed with them in the census.
GRO Reference: 1911  M Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 28

Charles, Sr. appears to have died in 1930 in Edmonton.
GRO Reference: 1930  D Quarter in EDMONTON (Middlesex) Volume 03A  Page 549

Ethel appears to have moved to Essex where she died in 1961.

2 Avondale Road , Billericay U.D., Essex, England

Ethel M
28 Feb 1877
Unpaid Domestic

Walter E
20 Mar 1906
Shipping Clerk

Elsie A
12 May 1901
Unpaid Domestic Duties
3 ... %2F12%2F12

Hars Ethel M 1877 - 1961
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Brentwood, Essex, England ... lace=essex
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Re: Unable to find a birth certificate

Postby Sylcec » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:20 am

I have done first name only searches in the registration indexes March 1911 for Swindon and for Wiltshire on Charles and William separately, but not identified any birth that might be your Charles William.

I am somewhat confused by this statement of yours
Charles William is recorded as having been in Swindon in 1914, he was later sent to the Isle of Man prisoner Camp as he had been born in Germany.
Is this the son or the father who was recorded as born 1914?
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Re: Unable to find a birth certificate

Postby junkers » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:29 pm

Have you got a copy of his death certificate and it should be stated, but I can't find a suitable entry for Swindon.
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