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Re: Policeman

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:12 pm

Feel free to disregard, but could the chap in the photo be John Charles Jones (born c1872 in Tulse Hill)? In the 1881 census, he and his family are living in Norwood. His father James is a gardener. And he has a younger brother named Robert S Jones, also born in Tulse Hill.

So this would possibly make him the uncle of the R F C Jones (b 1897), who's father is Robert Stockwell Jones, I believe. And in 1901, Robert's occupation is gardener.

In the 1911 census, there is a John Charles Jones, Police Serjeant with the Metropolitan Police. He is living in Chattenden, Kent. He is 39 - birth place Lambeth.

On Ancestry, there is a lengthy Met Police Pension Record for him, dated 5 April 1920.
Birth date given is 19 May, 1871, Tulse Hill.
Height: 5-10", Eyes: blue, Hair: brown, turning grey.
He joined the police on 10 August 1891.

I haven't read the pension record in depth, but wonder if it could indicate any badge numbers, etc.
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Re: Policeman

Postby Jethro Tull » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:29 pm

The indication of Chatham would make sense with the anchor. The police were responsible for policing the royal docks I think.

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Re: Policeman

Postby Suddes » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:29 am

Thanks for all your replies - please keep them coming.

Excited as the John Charles Jones seems likely as I do have that 1881 census in my records for Robert Stockwell Jones. Lots for me to investigate!
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Re: Policeman

Postby MoVidger » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:05 pm

GRO online birth index:
Jones, John Charles Qtr: June 1871 Wandsworth 1d 603
Mother's maiden name: OWEN (same as Robert Stockwell Jones)

Marriage -
25 June 1899 - Erith, Kent
John Charles Jones (constable)
Father: James Jones (gardener, deceased)
Lillian Emily Hellyer
Father: John Hall Hellyer (baker)
(Ancestry record - Bexley, Kent, Church of England Marriages & Banns)

1901 census -
Newington, St Mary (197 Barrett Road)
John Jones, age 29, birthplace Lambeth
Occupation: Police Constable
Lilian Jones, age 23, birthplace Belvedere, Kent
Ethel Jones, age 10 months, birthplace Belvedere, Kent
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Re: Policeman

Postby MoVidger » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:23 pm

In the 1939 Register, John C Jones & Lilian E Jones are living in Bexley, Kent.
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Re: Policeman

Postby Suddes » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:24 pm

Looking like this very well could be the man. I will order his birth certificate and hope that it matches the pension records.

Thank you so much for all your help
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Re: Policeman

Postby MoVidger » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:31 pm

You might not need to order the birth cert...

Ancestry has the Baptism record -
1880 East Dulwich Emmanuel
John Charles Jones
Born 19 May 1871
Parents: James & Mary (father is gardener)
82 Romney Road

Robert Stockwell Jones' baptism is on the same page. His birth is given as 2 Sept 1872.
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Re: Policeman

Postby Suddes » Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:24 pm

That's brilliant - can't thank you enough. I know where to post in future! Thanks again
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Policeman

Postby coopernicola » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:10 am

Definitely NOT City of London police if the helmet badge shows monarchs detail. They have never had the monarchs initials on their helmets, it's always a variation of the City coat of arms. Difficult to see this, however on the photograph.
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Re: Policeman

Postby Phill B-W » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:47 pm

With out using a magnifying Glass,

The Officer is almost certainly a Metropolitan Police Officer of the Royal Docks Division.
Recognizable by the Anchor on his Collar; which should also show in the middle of the Helmet Plate.
Unsure what the Crown next to the collar represents
The Met I believe Policed the Royal Docks from 1860 to 1932.

The Medals;
1897 Jubilee Medal, if it has a bar, the 1887 medal with 1897 bar, (Dark Blue Ribbon)
1902 Coronation Medal. (Red Ribbon with single Blue stripe)
1911 Coronation Medal. (Red Ribbon with Blue Stripes)

Being a nice shiny 1911 medal taken at that time?

Whistle and chain introduced from 1885

Hope This Helps
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