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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby kohagan » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:29 pm

Hi everyone, with all your help and guidance I did get my hands on my Great Grandfather Henry's death records from Scotland people and he did in fact remarry Julia McKenna and the sad part to all the tragedy he faced losing his first 4 children with Rebecca Matthews, his wife, at 43, he went on to die as a Pauper in the Poorhouse. How sad. Our Ancestors had a very difficult life and times for sure.
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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby kohagan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:30 pm

So with all your help, the second marriage and death of Henry (Patrick) is uncovered. However, does anyone have any idea how I could find his first marriage records to Rebecca Matthews? Their first child was born in 1861 so I am assuming it is around that time, but I cannot find anything. Although the census shows them as being married is it possible they were not? She carries his last name Hinksman though.
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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby sdup26 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:59 pm

On censuses, Henry says he was born around 1842 in Shropshire, Madeley or Bridgnorth. There's a baptism for Henry Hinksman, Feb 1842, Madeley, parents James and Mary (GRO birth: MarQ 1842, Madeley 18 110, mother's maiden name Holmes), but I can't find them in the 1851 census.

I've tried a marriage search for Henry and Rebecca from 1855 to 1880, using surname variations, but haven't found anything so far.
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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby ianbee » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:01 am

kohagan wrote:he went on to die as a Pauper in the Poorhouse. How sad. Our Ancestors had a very difficult life and times for sure.

Odd that he suddenly became Patrick!
Had children with Julia, including a daughter Julia who died in 1899.
And see Dublin Workhouses Admission & Discharge Registers 1840-1919 on findmypast
Here they are in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... t/1278866/
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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby ianbee » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:38 pm

sdup26 wrote:I've tried a marriage search for Henry and Rebecca from 1855 to 1880, using surname variations, but haven't found anything so far.

Neither have I. And Patrick Hinksman said he was a bachelor when he married Julia in 1891.
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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby kohagan » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:44 pm

Ianbee: Oh my gosh the plot thickens. I agree it is very odd that he became Patrick. Am I going down a rabbit hole? According to the 1901 census that you led me to the daughters Elizabeth (b 1895) and Annie (b 1893) he would have fathered them at the age of 51. Julia the wife shows birth date 1875. There is a 34 year age difference between her and Patrick. He died in 1897. I really have to dig deeper. Thanks for your help
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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby sdup26 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:39 pm

No luck with a Henry-Rebecca marriage, but some confusion about Henry's origins. He says he was born Shropshire, probably Madeley, and there's a GRO birth entry for a Henry Hinksman, father James, mother Mary, Madeley 1842; mother's maiden name Holmes.
However, Madeley christening records show a Henry Hinksman (chr 2/2/1842), and Mary Ann and Sarah Hinksman (chr 31/3/1844), all father James, labourer of Coalport, mother Mary. But the GRO gives the mother's maiden name for both girls as Haycock. At first, I assumed that James had Henry with Mary Holmes, who died, and he then re-married Mary Haycock to have the girls. But James Hinksman married Mary Haycock before Henry was born. (JQ 1839, Bridgnorth 18 43)

Is this Rebecca in 1851? Albion Place, St George's, Birmingham. Father Richard, 39, a carpenter, mother listed as 'M' aged 36, sibs dau 'M' Edward 12, Rebecca 10, Henry 8, Anne 6, Sarah 6, William 3, Herbert 3 mos.

And is this group in Lancs in any way connected?
1851 Census, Upper Mann St, Toxteth Park, West Derby:
Thomas Hincksman b1816, ?forgeman, wife Martha 1810, son Thomas 1839, all born Wem, Shropshire, and son Edward J b1842 in Bridgnorth, Shropshire.
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Re: Brick Wall finding what happened to my Great Grandfather

Postby kohagan » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:14 pm

sdup26:
Thank you, this may be Rebecca and family in 1851. As for the connection with the other family you suggested I cannot find a connection there. Not to say there isn't, I will do further research
Yes, I too am confused with the conflicting mothers last name as HOLMES or HAYCOCK. I know the GRO of Scotland people has errors, but I will have to order a few birth certificates for sure.
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