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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby JMcK » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:19 am

Albert says he is a Widower at 1918 marriage
I wondered if Mary Ann had got together with George Webb who is down in the 1911 census as a boarder in her house. Mary Ann and George both say they are widowed.
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby JMcK » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:25 am

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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:27 am

In the 1901 census, Albert Smart, a prisoner in Cardiff gaol, is described as a shorthand teacher, aged 30 (born 1871), United States, foreign subject.
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby JMcK » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:06 am

Thankyou Sdup.
That has to be him. Although it is his father who was born in the USA. Telling a little untruth here!
So he is in the 1901 census twice.
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:34 am

Is this also your Albert, or just a name coincidence?
Bristol Mercury 7th Sept 1900 (advert)
Smart's School of Shorthand and Typewriting, 26 Bridge Street, Bristol
Principal, Mr Albert F Smart, assisted by a staff of expert teachers.
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:16 pm

I like the idea of the 'staff of expert teachers' who, according to the advert, could also offer lessons in a variety of European languages. Very impressive. Please don't spoil it by telling me the 'staff' consisted of Albert running from class to class.

Incidentally, re that 'double entry' for Albert in the 1901 census - I wonder if Mary Ann gave his details as if he lived at home to cover the fact he was in jail, not realising the jail would also have a census?
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby MoVidger » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:40 pm

Not sure if this could be Marguerite's brother (?), but there is this record on Ancestry. Occupation also matches that of Marguerite's father on her 1918 marriage record.

1911 census - piece 22194
Liverpool (Abercromby sub-district, )
George Humphrie(s), age 27, Boiler Maker Helper (transcribed on Ancestry as "Boarder Maker")
Birthplace: Liverpool (b 1884)
Relationship to Head: Boarder

Possible birth?
HUMPHREYS, George
GRO Index: 1884 June quarter Toxteth Park vol. 08B page 232
Mother's maiden name: Hannagan

Ancestry has the 1884 baptism record. Father George Humphries' occupation is mariner.

I'm curious...why did the Smart family change their name from Goodmane/Goodwane ??
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby brunes08 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:30 pm

Just a point about double entries in a census. I have come across this on a couple of occasions. The wife at home enters her husband. The husband is also entered on a boarding house return as he was away in a nearby town as an agent for the company he worked for. It may not be anything more than a mis-understanding of the instructions for completing the census form.
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby MoVidger » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:43 pm

Have you been able to locate Marguerite in the 1939 Register? Perhaps that might shed some light on her actual birth date. I'm beginning to wonder if Marguerite was her actual name, given that it's a struggle to locate a 'Marguerite Humphries/Humphreys" in the 1881 to 1901 census reports, with a father named George (boilermaker).

By the way, I love that this family were always "on the lam". :lol: In the 1861 census, my lot used a false surname. Probably because the father had spent some time in debtors' prison the previous year. These ancestors of ours don't make it easy to trace them. :roll:
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Re: 1911 Census search Albert Vivian SMART and parents

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:15 pm

I think she might be on a couple of electoral registers?
Don't have access to findmypast at home, but
England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1832-1932, it's an awkward and deceptive database to search, as discussed on here before, however looking for "Smart Marguerite" (in the surname box!, which usually confirms things)
Potential entries,1930/31, in New Ferry, Cheshire
Adding Henthorne as a keyword also brought up the 31 entry

In the 1939 Register address search, two entries for 11 Henthorne Road, the previews both said This household is closed, 1 more person who is officially closed
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