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G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby Simon45 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:28 pm

Where can I find our information on my grandads history in World War One ?

What he did / where he fought etc , etc

G A Smith - DVR - 46683 - RA is stamped on his medals

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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby MayHam » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:57 pm

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription
First name(s)
G A
Last name
Smith
Service number
46683
Regiment
-
Unit / Battalion
D Battery, 95th Brigade
Originating Record
WO 363. 39532 Thomas Leeson, Northamptonshire Regiment
Series
WO 363
Series description
Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive
The National Archives
Record set
British Army Service Records
Category
Military Service & Conflict
Subcategory
First World War
Collections from
United Kingdom, UK None
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... p%2f456565

Medal Index Cards Transcription
First name(s)
George A
Last name
Smith
Year
1914-20
Service number
46683
Second service number
46683
Rank
Driver,Bombardier
Second rank
Bombardier
Regiment
Royal Field Artillery
Second corps
Royal Field Artillery
Service record
Soldier Number: 46683, Rank: Driver, Corps: Royal Field Artillery
Second service record
Soldier Number: 46683, Rank: Bombardier, Corps: Royal Field Artillery
Image link
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... i=D5226361
Country
Great Britain
Medal type
British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920
Archive reference
WO372/18
Archive reference description
Women's Services, Distinguished Conduct Medals and Military Medals
Record set
Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards
Category
Military Service & Conflict
Subcategory
Medal rolls and honours
Collections from
United Kingdom
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... %2f4106462
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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:00 pm

Start with:
- The TNA Guide on the topic http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-soldiers-after-1913/
- Also The Long, Long Trail website http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ in particular its research advice on http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/
- When you get stuck and need specialist advice, the forum that supplements The Long, Long Trail is the Great War Forum http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?

That's all advice above. The records that you need are on Ancestry and / or FindMyPast - a lot is duplicated between the 2 sites but Medal Index Cards are better on Ancestry and I think that the Medal Rolls are only on Ancestry. Soldiers' detailed personnel Papers are probably best searched through FMP if you have the choice but if not, Ancestry is OK. Be aware that btw 2/3 and 3/4 of the WW1 Soldiers' detailed personnel Papers were burnt in an air-raid in WW2. If you have his medals, then the only thing that you are guaranteed is a Medal Index Card and a Medal Roll or two (two if the has a 194/15 Star).

To work out where he was, you will need to know his battery or artillery brigade - then you trace those. However, that may NOT be easy to find if his papers were burnt in WW2. In that case, I would recommend that you look for any Absent Voters' List - NB this is NOT the ordinary Electoral Register, but it's a supplement to it - if they survive, then they list the overseas "address" of soldiers including their battery or artillery brigade.
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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:29 pm

MayHam may have struck gold - well, silver. I had done a quick look on Ancestry and seen no Soldier's Papers for your chap. MayHam used FMP and found that single reference.

Point 1 - I cannot understand what that sheet of paper is. It's in the middle now of the images for Thomas Leeson but the microfilm frame numbers for that sheet and the adjacent sheets are nothing like consecutive, suggesting that this is... Well, I don't know! Nothing like the original arrangement I guess!

Point 2 - the gem is that whatever it is, it shows that he was in D Battery of the 95th Brigade. And your starter is therefore http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/xciv-xcv-xcvi-and-xcvii-howitzer-brigades-21st-divisional-artillery/

Looking at the LLT entry for 95 Brigade RFA, it looks like D Battery might be a Howitzer Battery - I don't know when that sheet of paper is dated but it is later on in his career, since he's shown as a Bombardier, not Driver. D Battery was a Howitzer Battery from 20 May 1916 on, making it likely that he's in that version of D Battery, not the earlier Field Gun version (which is the default).

I'm not 100% confident of my analysis above but it seems right.
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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby Simon45 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:40 pm

Hi
Thanks for the reply
My grandad was in RH and RFA

any idea where he fought ?

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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby Simon45 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:42 pm

I found this if it helps

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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby Simon45 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:45 pm

Unit number D / 95 Bde


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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:52 pm

Without extensive research into War Diaries of Batteries and Brigades at Kew, the best anyone can do is say that 95th Brigade was with 21st Division throughout the war (as per the LLT reference) and that therefore he would have fought where 21st Division did - see http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/21st-division/ for the list of battles.
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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:56 pm

By the way - that army document is brilliant. It includes the dates when he joined and was put into the reserve - there is no way you'd have otherwise known that in the apparent absence of his detailed papers, lost in the WW2 fire.
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Re: G A Smith - World War One - 46683 info

Postby Simon45 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:57 pm

Ok that's good info
Thank you :)


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