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John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby Soozb » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:21 pm

Hi I am trying to trace the parents of John Matthews who was born in Aston. He was an orphan and I am unable to find out what happened to them and when. John became a blue coat boy but again I cannot find any information on this. When John grew up he became a blacksmith. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks Sue
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby brunes08 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:40 pm

There is a possible birth for John Matthews indexed on freebmd.org. It is for March quarter 1865 Birmingham. The registration details are 6d 115. It might be worth your while applying for the certificate.
As far as John being an orphan - how do you know this? Can you enlighten us to save going over things you have already found. You could look in local newspapers to see if there was any mention of an accident perhaps.
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby sdup26 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:26 pm

I agree with brunes08 - more information would help, however little you know. But I've looked anyway, can't see a blacksmith, but there's a John Matthews who was a 'shoeingsmith' (a farrier, shoed horses) on the 1891/1901/1911 censuses for Aston with wife Bertha. Children included Rose, Daisy, Bertha, Sidney. Does any of this fit with what you know? If it does, the GRO marriage reference is DQ 1890, Aston, 6d 489, and hopefully, the marriage certificate will give you John's father's name. If not, will await further details!
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:26 am

To reinforce the suggestion - I've always regarded a farrier as a type of blacksmith. Yes, I know that there is a difference if you're into exact terminology but most people aren't... So I don't think that blacksmith versus farrier / shoe-smith is an issue.

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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby jakval » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:40 am

Re.the John Matthews(shoeing smith) married to Bertha.

Possible marriage 25 Dec 1890 Aston to Bertha Jane Harrison- his father Charles Matthews-occupation
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby Soozb » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:34 pm

Thanks all for your help. You are right he was a shoeing smith farrier blacksmith and he was married to bertha Harrison. Sidney the youngest of the children was my paternal grandfather. My father told me that John was an orphan which his father Sidney told him. Any further advice or help on finding info on John's childhood isappreciated. I have tried to find articles in newspapers but have drawn a blank.
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby sdup26 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:02 pm

If John was definitely born in Aston, there isn't a 'plain' John birth there in 1867 +/- 2 yrs, but there's a James John, Leonard John, and John George. Searched censuses for them (all accounted for), during which this one came up in 1881: John Matthews b1867 (aged 14), inmate, Aston Union Workhouse, born Middlesex. Could be irrelevant, or could explain why he's hard to find in 1871.
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby Soozb » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:43 pm

Thanks for this. I am told that he lived in bordesley which is part of Aston or could be smallheath so it is possible he was born in one if these areas
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:55 am

Bordesley would be part of Aston registration district when looking for a birth. You were told that John was an orphan - were there any family stories about possible brothers/sisters of John? Have you contacted the Blue Coat School in Birmingham, in case they have historical records of pupils?
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Re: John Matthews b 1865 Aston

Postby Soozb » Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:12 pm

I believe John was an only child although I cannot be certain. I have looked on various websites including the Birmingham bluecoat school. I will try contacting them. Thanks for your help.
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