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Postby Dave R » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:42 pm

Could anyone help me with the medal card for what I hope is my Grandfather?
From what I can gather the 8th Btn Kings Royal Rifles were posted to France in May 1915 so I presume that's the qualifying date. I know my Grandfather was injured in a gas attack and repatriated to a UK hospital but I don't know much more than that. I don't know if any of the references will help me find more information. I have a picture of him in a convalescence home in Surrey, again not sure how I can find more information, so any advice gratefully received

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Re: Medal Card

Postby phsvm » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:05 pm

There are some great people on this forum with amazing knowledge but you may also find it useful to ask this question on the Long Long Trail Forum as well.

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/
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Re: Medal Card

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:04 pm

First thing - if you haven't found it already, you need to spend some time with the Long, Long Trail web-site http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ that gives a lot of info about WW1 and, in particular, tells you the basic steps to researching soldiers http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/

Re KRRC http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/kings-royal-rifle-corps/ on the above site gives the arrival dates of the different battalions in France. The 7th, 8th and 9th Battalions all seem to arrive in May 1915 and I would not be at all confident that one can work of exact dates - advance parties, delayed parties, etc., can all confuse matters. And yes, the Qualifying Date is the date the soldier entered a theatre of war (France here) for the first time.
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Re: Medal Card

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:51 pm

Based on your comment about the 8th Bn, you may already have seen this, but Ancestry has the Medal Rolls for the British War and Victory Medals to which the Medal Index Card (that you attached) is an index.

That shows Charles to be in the 8th Battalion of the KRRC, then promoted to corporal in it, then a corporal in the 16th Battalion of the KRRC. (Not all units provide as much detail as that!)

The Medal Roll for the 1914/15 Star is similarly there (but as C H Rooke,number R 840 not R/8040) - that has AR Class Z 19 2 19. Again, the Long Long Trail can help here http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/demobilisation-and-discharge/ - this is when he was discharged from the Army into civilian life, except that he went into the Class Z Army Reserve, which was created in case the peace talks broke down or something and the UK needed an Army again - in that case, Class Z Reserve men like him would be called up again. Other than that, he was in Civvy Street from then.

I'm guessing that his number of "R/8040" simply means "Rifleman 8040". "R" was apparently often used - see http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/letter-prefixes-to-british-soldiers-numbers-in-the-first-world-war/ but given that he's in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps, and that "Rifleman" is an Army term, I'm not betting against the obvious!

And that is about it.... So far as I can see from Ancestry his detailed papers are missing so were burned in WW2, along with between 2/3 and 3/4 of the WW1 papers.

Ordinarily I'd try to use FMP to find similar numbered soldiers in the KRRC with surviving papers - that way you can get a rough idea when he joined up. However, you have to understand the different number sequences of the regiment and I don't understand those of the KRRC. There seem to be at least 2 sequences with different prefix letters and therefore the possibility is that there is a R/1234 and a C/1234 (say). In particular, knowing when C/8030 (say) joined up, doesn't help you to decide when R/8040 joined up. But given that he arrived in France in May 1915, he's probably an early joiner - my grandpa joined up in the first weeks, I reckon, but it was July 1915 before he was out there - but he was in the Artillery and I imagine they needed more training with so many roles.

So I think your next job would be to try to find out more about the KRRC - a regimental history may help if you can find one in a library.
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Re: Medal Card

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:52 pm

NB - I know very little about hospital records other than that only a tiny proportion survive.
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Re: Medal Card

Postby MaureenE » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:57 pm

Forces War Records, a pay website, includes the database "Military Hospitals Admissions and Discharge Registers WW1 Collection",[47] taken from TNA records MH 106: War Office: First World War Representative Medical Records of Servicemen. It is possible that the FWR database is only a selection of records from MH 106, which in turn is only a sample.[48]

These words are copied from the FIBIS Fibiwiki page British Army, section Miscellaneous online sources, where you can read the footnotes, if you want further details
https://wiki.fibis.org/w/British_Army#M ... ne_sources

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Re: Medal Card

Postby peter kent » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:29 am

In the KRRC, the prefix "R" was used for men of the New Army (or Kitchener's Army. see Wikipedia)
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