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Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please , Ed

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Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please , Ed

Postby Simon45 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:28 pm

Does anyone have information on these -
Both were born in Edmonton , London

Herbert Walter Collins born 1868 , married Eliza Mardell in 1892

Alfred William Collins born 1887
married Mabel Florence Hilton in 1914

Did they have any children ?

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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:59 pm

The online GRO index indicates the following with mother's maiden name MARDELL:

1893 - Collins, Herbert Charles Frederick (Edmonton district)
1895 - Collins, Harold Walter (Edmonton district)
1902 - Collins, Ellaline Doris (Edmonton district)
1903 - Collins, Edwin Arthur (Edmonton district)
1905 - Collins, Winifred Alice (Edmonton district)

FreeBMD shows this birth with mother's maiden name HILTON:

1917 - Collins, Sybil R (Edmonton district)
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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby Simon45 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:06 pm

Hi
Thank you for the info
This is the only side of my tree I cannot sort out
If at all possible , is there anyway of finding out if those children had a marriage and then children

Thank you very much


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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:14 pm

Because the children have middle names/initials, they'll be easier to locate on the FreeBMD website. Also, it would depend on if some or all remained in the Edmonton area at the time of their marriages.

Then you can check the mother's surname(s) against any births. Mothers' surnames appear from Sept 1911 onwards on FreeBMD. On the online GRO index, they appear up to 1916.

Spouse surnames appear on FreeBMD marriage entries from 1912 onwards.

If you have ordered BMD certificates from the GRO in the past, then you can login as normal. That's how you can search their birth and death indexes.

Example: on FreeBMD, there is the following marriage entry:

Dec quarter 1921 (Edmonton) - Collins, Herbert C F -- Spouse surname: Picton

Checking for children, FreeBMD show three births with that name combination from 1925-1927. However the births are in Yorkshire.
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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby Simon45 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:38 pm

Ok thanks very much
I'll try and do it but I'm not very good with computers :(


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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:05 pm

No worries. Do you have an Ancestry subscription? A very quick check on Ancestry brings up the 1921 marriage:

Event Date: 29 Oct 1921
Name: Herbert Charles Frederick Collins (occupation: Compositor)
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Age: 28
Address: 56 Birkbeck Rd
Spouse: Florence Elizabeth Picton
Spouse Age: 28
Address: 54 Birkbeck Rd
Parish: All Hallows, Tottenham
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Harbert Walter Collins (occupation: Compositor)
Spouse Father: Charles Picton (occupation: Carman)

Witnesses: E.D. Collins & C. Picton

I did an extremely quick marriage check for the other siblings, but didn't see any records. You may have more luck than I.
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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby Simon45 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:18 pm

Hi
Thanks for the new information

I'll try but not very good with Ancestry web site

If / when you can , could you please try and find out more details of the other marriages ( if they did get married ? )

Sorry to ask , but it would be great to get up to modern day with this side of my missing Collins ancestors


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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:22 pm

Also on Ancestry is the family in the 1911 census:

Address: 56 Birkbeck Rd, Tottenham
Herbert Walter Collins (age 43) - Compositor
Eliza Collins (age 45)
Herbert Charles Frederick Collins (age 17) - apprentice Compositor
Ellaline Doris Collins (age 9)
Harold Walter Collins (age 16) - apprentice Machine Minder (or Mender?)
Edwin Arthur Collins (age 7)
Winifred Alice Collins (age 6)

The census states Herbert and Eliza have been married 18 years, and have 5 children (no deaths).
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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby Simon45 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:33 pm

That's great thank you
It would be great to find a current relation who may have records / history of the Collins family

Please send me any more info / records you find

Thank you
Simon :)


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Re: Herbert Collins / Alfred Collins , info required please

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:39 pm

Possible marriages for the other siblings on FreeBMD:

1923 (Edmonton)
Collins, Harold W
Cook, Ida

1929 (Edmonton)
Collins, Edwin A
Robinson, Doris M

1931 (Edmonton)
Collins, Ellaline D
Wise, Henry

1941 (Edmonton)
Collins, Winifred A
Walters, Edwin
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