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George William Duncan B. About 1827

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George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby Sucher » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:33 am

This was my 2 x great grandfather. I know quite a lot about him from his Army record supplied by the Grenadier Guards Archive records. He was with the battalion in Windsor in the 1851 Census, place of birth Scarborough. His marriage certificate states that his father was Charles Duncan a confectioner. One of the witnesses was Ellen Sleigtholme and there was a small cluster of people with that name living at that time in East Yorkshire near Scarborough.

I bought the 1851 census record from the East Yorkshire Family History Society to see if I could find Charles but no joy. I subsequently asked a kind member of the Society if they would search for George and Charles but she too drew a blank. I would very much like to trace back on George's ancestry and any advice would be very welcome.
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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby Sucher » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:08 pm

Thank you so much, I think this one has legs! I'd more or less come to the conclusion that a change of name was the reason I couldn't find George. I'll now see if I can find the connection.

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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby Sucher » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:26 pm

Thank you JMcK

Your suggestion for Charles Duncannon definitely has some mileage. Date of birth, First name, marriage date and birth year of George all fit along side the occupation and geography. Maybe George shortened his name when enlisting in the Grenadiers? His wedding certificate gives his father's surname as Duncan, the other downside is that George, 14 years old is not with Charles on the 1841 census but I am going to seek help from the EYFSS.

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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:48 pm

In 1861, Clifton, Yorks, Charles and Elizabeth Duncannon and her son Richard Dudley (both b York) are next door but one to Henry and Sarah Owen. Henry and Sarah have 3 boys and 2 girls, all born York, all with the middle name Dudley, which is Sarah's maiden name. Was Sarah a daughter of Elizabeth? (She married Henry Owen, MQ 1849, York 23 633.)
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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby Sucher » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:24 pm

Jo

That is a shocking thing to have happened. I will send a PM later.

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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby sdup26 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:49 am

Possible baptism?
George Doncannon, born 7/10/1826, baptised 9/10/1826, St Sampsons, York.
Father Charles Doncannon, mother Elizabeth.
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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby Sucher » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:05 pm

sdup26 wrote:Possible baptism?
George Doncannon, born 7/10/1826, baptised 9/10/1826, St Sampsons, York.
Father Charles Doncannon, mother Elizabeth.


Thank you sduo26. I thought that you had nailed it - I now know that George Duncan enlisted in the Army at Beverley on 13 May 1847. He gave his age as 19 years and eight months. If my arithmetic is correct, that puts his date of birth as October 1827, exactly a year out. Also, the enlistment form states that he was born in the parish of Scarborough, no luck with the records there. His death cert states his age on 14 December 1870 as 42, so that seems to confirm his birth year as 1828. Grrr!

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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby dfgrty » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:45 pm

Could you please tell me how you were able to access the Grenadier Guards records? I have an elusive ancestor Andrew McKay born about 1812 in Scotland who was reported to be in the Grenadier Guards on his son's birth certificate in 1846 in London. I have not been able to find him in the 1841 and 1851 census or his marriage in London. He emigrated with his wife and 2 children to Australia in 1856. I am hoping that the military records may provide more information about his origins in Scotland. Thank you.
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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby sdup26 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:16 am

dfgrty - please could you start a new topic with the subject 'Andrew McKay?' Otherwise any replies to you are going to get muddled up with Sucher's original query about George William Duncan.
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Re: George William Duncan B. About 1827

Postby Sucher » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:28 pm

dfgrty wrote:Could you please tell me how you were able to access the Grenadier Guards records? I have an elusive ancestor Andrew McKay born about 1812 in Scotland who was reported to be in the Grenadier Guards on his son's birth certificate in 1846 in London. I have not been able to find him in the 1841 and 1851 census or his marriage in London. He emigrated with his wife and 2 children to Australia in 1856. I am hoping that the military records may provide more information about his origins in Scotland. Thank you.


Hopefully this will not muddy the water:
Regimental Archivist, Regimental Headquarters, Grenadier Guards, Wellington Barracks, Birdcage Walk, London, SW1E 6HQ
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