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Postby Cmcquade » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:04 am

Under James Mitchell I can see his father name and mothers name (Christian or Christina)? Next to her maiden name (Japp) is another small piece of writing. Can anyone read it?
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Re: Help reading

Postby Amazinggrace » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:30 pm

Hi,must admit I am unable to read the word. Thought I'd look at the parents marriage to see if that would reveal anything. Couldn't find a marriage. There is one which may be a transcribing error.
David Mitchell and Christian Job, 20th May 1817, Inverkeithing.She is I think definately Christian not
Christina.
Scotlands people has a family in the 1841 census in BurntIsland (next door to Dalgety).
David Mitcell 45 Mason
Christian 50
James 10
Jane 8
John 20
Hopefully someone may fair better than me.
Good luck
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Re: Help reading

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:20 pm

Yuk. When will these companies learn that reducing to pure black and white makes stuff *more* difficult to read?

I can't read it either - I'm not at all convinced that Japp is the right reading but I can't see what the alternative is.

My only suggestion is that, if he died in Scotland, his death certificate *should* show his mother's maiden name. That's if it's known.

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Re: Help reading

Postby jimbo50 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:23 pm

Does anyone think it might be a misspelt Jarplund, poss a name from Schleswig-Holstein, Germany.
Also I think she is Christiana.
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Re: Help reading

Postby Amazinggrace » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:28 pm

Japp is correct as on scotlands people.
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Re: Help reading

Postby jimbo50 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:38 pm

Hi Grace. Yes I've just seen some famous scottish Japps on Google.
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Re: Help reading

Postby MayHam » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:42 pm

To follow up on Grace's post, not sure if the following from Scotland's People helps or not?
I'm also not sure if it is a parenthesis after Chris' maiden name. If so, it may be "was" which doesn't make sense or possibly "waif" as I couldn't find a baptismal record for Chris-- Japp or Job (see below.)

MITCHEL DAVID
CHRISTIAN JAPP/FR1625 (FR1625)
(married) 07/06/1817
422/20 731
Dalgetty

MITCHEL DAVID
CHRISTIAN JOB/
(married) 20/05/1817
432/20 453
Inverkeithing

MITCHELL ELSPETH
DAVID MITCHELL/CHRISTIAN JAPP FR1601 AND 1644 (FR1601)
0
(baptised) 05/07/1819
422/20 707
Dalgetty

MITCHELL WILLIAM
DAVID MITCHELL/CHRISTIAN JAPP FR1651 (FR1651)
0
08/08/1821
422/30 12
Dalgetty

MITCHELL JANE
DAVID MITCHELL/CHRISTIAN JAPP
0
01/03/1824
422/30 19
Dalgetty

MITCHELL -----
DAVID MITCHELL/
0
11/09/1829
432/30 333
Inverkeithing
(stillborn from Mastertown)

MITCHELL -----
DAVID MITCHELL/
0
09/09/1833
432/30 343
Inverkeithing

MITCHALL -----
DAVID MITCHALL/
0
15/04/1839
432/30 357
Inverkeithing
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Re: Help reading

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:50 pm

Well, yes. It may be what they read it as, but they are not infallible. I've seen stuff that is patently wrong and happens to match the Family Search index. Which came first, I have no idea.

There is something after the Japp bit. But what it is, I really cannot tell - to me, we need another source. Another birth (or baptism) if there are any siblings. Or the marriage... Or the guy's death certificate (if Scottish).

Japp is the most likely reading even to me. But it doesn't explain the squiggle after the name. And it's not a name that I've seen before - which may not mean anything.

Right now, I feel like invoking that sensible Scots verdict: Not proven!

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Re: Help reading

Postby AdrianB38 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:04 pm

So MayHam pretty much beat me to it - if we have multiple readings of Japp *and* instances of the name elsewhere, then that increases the likelihood of it being Japp.

Except.....

There is little correlation between the 1841 census and the list of baptisms - only one name is in common and that's way different in age!

And I still cannot see what the squiggle is!

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Re: Help reading

Postby devonliz » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:09 pm

If you paid money or credits for this, it is very poor value!

I had a similar problem with an English will that I obtained through the Wills and Probate service - I wrote and told them that for £10 I expected to have a legible document, and could they please send me a grayscale version .... and they did! Worth a try?
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