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Postby maxine tallon » Thu May 18, 2017 7:33 am

I have been looking on the 1939 register for an ancestor who lived in Oliphant Street in Queens Park London, I was surprised to find that only the odd numbers of this street are listed on the register the even numbers are nowhere to be found. I checked the originals in case these numbers just hadn't been transcribed, but no they just don't exist on the register! Any ideas why this might be.
It's not the first problem I've had with 1939 register another street in the same area has half it's houses missed.

Anyone else had this problem.

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Re: 1939 register

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu May 18, 2017 11:59 am

Just to ask a probably dumb question - you do know, I take it, whether the even numbers had been built by that time?

(Apparently yes they had been built - see below)
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Re: 1939 register

Postby Mick Loney » Thu May 18, 2017 2:16 pm

I don't know how you searched, presumably 'Oliphant Street'. It might sound silly, but have you tried 'Oliphant' on its own? Some search engines are pretty picky and won't pick up 'Street' if it was shortened to 'St'. Sometimes less is better!


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Re: 1939 register

Postby ianbee » Thu May 18, 2017 4:18 pm

Numbers 90 (0425F/008) to 128 are there.
The transcript has Lizzie Collins, who was at 90 Oliphant, in Nutbourne Street, presumably as she follows number 58 of that street, and Oliphant can't be read because of the sellotaping.
We can see from the OS why the enumerator has gone to 90 Oliphant Street after 58 Nutbourne
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19 ... rs=173&b=1

1939 electoral register has the Oliphant Street even numbers from 2 to 128.
Paddington North, Polling District A, Queen's Park Ward.

So at the moment we seem to be missing 2-88
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Re: 1939 register

Postby ianbee » Thu May 18, 2017 5:13 pm

Numbers 126 to 156 Ilbert Street are not listed on findmypast
Worrying, because in 0425C, 158 Ilbert is enumerated straight after 1 Oliphant Street
If there was a similar pattern with the other side, 2 Oliphant might have been followed by 156 Ilbert Street, or vice versa.
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Re: 1939 register

Postby maxine tallon » Thu May 18, 2017 6:30 pm

It seems the whole area of streets off the Harrow road are a complete mess, I've gone through some of the returns for the area and it seems that it's a pick and mix ilbert street listed with harrow road and Ladbroke grove Oliphant street mixed with other streets and Farrant street has half of it's houses missing, and yes they were built. I know the person I was looking for was there in 1939 they are on the electoral register I wanted to see who else was living in the house.

I haven't had a problem with people I've looked for in other parts of the country so maybe it's just the London returns that are a mess.

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Re: 1939 register

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu May 18, 2017 7:28 pm

Worth pointing out that, on my very quick look, that some at least of this, is an issue with the original returns, not the FMP work (although some of that may also play a part).

For instance, I picked up Droop St by chance - the evens increased to 148, then we have 189, then 191 in a totally different ink and hand, then 123 Ilbert St in a 3rd ink and hand, then a few more oddities - then we get into an implausible(?) continuous mass of redactions - have we talked about this lot before? - that possibly is an FMP issue.

On that very quick look and from the map that Ian linked to, it does rather look like the enumerator has wandered round in circles trying to cover everywhere as quickly as possible.... And one wonders from those fill-ins whether they've missed blocks out.... Which is utterly annoying.
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Re: 1939 register

Postby ianbee » Fri May 19, 2017 2:39 pm

I'm wondering if a whole enumeration district in Paddington could be missing. Possibly it may have had the ED Letter Code A.P.N.D.
Creating an imaginary one from the OS map (which is from 1954, and we can see there has been some change in the particular section of Ilbert Street, perhaps a bomb had hit it?)
Missing from findmypast street index (all present on the 39 electoral register)
2-88 Oliphant Street
126-156 Ilbert Street
201-263 Droop Street
150-216 Droop Street
51-123 Sixth Avenue

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18 ... rs=173&b=1
126 Ilbert is at the junction of Sixth Avenue (the west side of Sixth, where the odd numbers appear to be missing. The east side, even numbers, are listed and are in "piece" 0425D)
In between Oliphant and Sixth is Droop Street, and both sides of this part of Droop, north of Ilbert Street, are missing from the street index.
That's my imaginary district. Maybe 150+ houses. Apparently the districts usually did not exceed 300 households

Presuming the TNA references will simply ignore any missing district, go straight over it, TNA ref 0425A = ED code APNA, 0425B = APNB, 0425C = APNC (this is the district with the Oliphant Street odd numbers to 111). BUT, the next TNA ref, 0425D = en dist APNE, and so on.
What happened to en. district APND?

Perhaps findmypast will investigate, if asked.
Edited, got my east and west wrong way round!
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Re: 1939 register

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri May 19, 2017 3:10 pm

Ian - I think you might have something there....

You can use the "1939 Register Browse" and set the ED Letter Code to APND - there's nothing returned. Better still, set ED Letter Code to APN* and you get 25 lines of response, APNA to APNZ - with APND missing.

FMP have a URL http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/full-list-of-united-kingdom-records/census-land-and-surveys/known-missing-places-from-1939-register for "Known missing places from 1939 Register". Maybe they can be asked to investigate if APND should be added to that list.
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Re: 1939 register

Postby maxine tallon » Fri May 19, 2017 4:23 pm

It wasn't a bomb from what I remember as a child (I lived with my grandmother in Farrant Street, all during the war until 1944 when I was evacuated to Yorkshire with my grandmother. )there was no bomb damage, I've checked with my aunt who lived in droop street and she agrees with me. A lot of these houses and streets no longer exist as from the late 1950's they were demolished and replaced with flats! all except Farrant Street which was not re-built.

I agree the enumerator's must have gone round in circles and missed a lot of houses when this was realised these were added anywhere on the enumeration sheets so now are impossible to find.

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