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Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby marky » Tue May 16, 2017 8:32 am

I have a copy of a will for John Tuckey, a husbandman of Hollywater in the parish of Headley, written in 1820. John dies in 1829 aged 92 which gives a birth year of approx 1737. I'm trying to locate his birth.

I have strong reason to believe his parents are Thomas and Catherine but can find no proof of this. Thomas and Catherine are my direct ancestors and so far I have found baptisms for the following children: Thomas (1737), Elizabeth (1746), Jane (1749), Charles (1753), Frances (1755) and George (1758).

One of Charle's sons, John, emigrated to Australia in 1830 and one of his grandchildren wrote a letter in 1898 in which he recalled of his family history: "He was the eldest of seven brothers, and the family owned a place called Hollywater Farm in Sussex or Kent (my father was born in the latter county but brought up in the former) and as far as I can remember of what I heard him say there was some dispute in the family about an inheritance, and my grandfather never wrote to his relatives after arriving here."

There's an understandable level of confusion here, given the elapsed time, as the letter appears to reference John Tuckey, son of Charles. He was the third youngest of four and didn't own property at Hollywater. However, the John Tuckey of the will could easily be the eldest of seven if he's a child of Thomas and Catherine.

To further add to the connection, the will leaves everything to a friend, Thomas Keen, a yeoman of Kingsley but directs him to allow his sister, Jane, to continue to live in his freehold cottage at Hollywater. Thomas Keen predeceases John Tuckey and so Jane Tuckey inherits. Her date of death matches perfectly with Jane, daughter of Thomas and Catherine (dies 1840 aged 92). We are pretty sure that the will doesn't concern Hollywater Farm itself but is a smallholding with a garden orchard and outbuildings.

Can anyone help to locate the birth of John Tuckey in approx 1737?
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby sdup26 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:34 am

I can't find a Hollywater or Headley in either Kent or Sussex on http://www.genuki.org.uk, but there's a Headley, with a Hollywater 1.4 miles SW of it, in Hampshire, on the border with Surrey. There's also a Kingsley in Hampshire, a couple of miles from Headley.
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby JaneyH » Tue May 16, 2017 10:09 am

There's also a Headley in Surrey between Leatherhead and Reigate. It's closer to Kent & Sussex but having checked on boundaries of registration districts it's always been firmly in Surrey.


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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby marky » Tue May 16, 2017 10:49 am

This is definitely the Headley in Hampshire. There's a reason why the author of the letter is confused and it's because he's living in Australia and has mixed up where different generations were born.
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby ianbee » Tue May 16, 2017 11:46 am

marky wrote:Can anyone help to locate the birth of John Tuckey in approx 1737?

But there's a baptism of Thomas in 1737
Do you know when, where Thomas and Catherine married?
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby PaulH01 » Tue May 16, 2017 12:23 pm

There's also still a Hollywater Farm just east of Hollywater on the Whitehill road.

There's a John Tuckey born 1733 in Bramshott, not far away, to Richard and Anne (FamilySearch). Siblings are Richard (1729/30) Thomas (1732) Richard (1735) Anne (1737) Mary (1739) Sarah (1747) Hannah (1750).
Richard Tuckey married Anne Bridger 1729 in Bramshot.

Might be a connection with your Tuckeys?

All Tuckey deaths in FamilySearch seem to have been recorded in Headley, not Bramshott, including a Richard 1801 , but I suppose he could have been the one born 1799 in Headley to John/Mary.

I assume the John Tuckey born Headley 1725 to Joseph/Alice is too far out.
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby sdup26 » Tue May 16, 2017 12:34 pm

The poster doesn't have a baptism - he (or she) wants proof of John Tuckley's birth/parents, believed to be Thomas & Catherine.
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby PaulH01 » Tue May 16, 2017 12:37 pm

All I'm saying there's a John Tuckey born about 3 miles south four years before to different parents.

Could it be them instead?

From what was said in the first post, there are several indicators that it isn't (mention of Jane and Charles), but I wondered if they had considered it, or if they're related.
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby marky » Tue May 16, 2017 12:46 pm

Hi Ian - I'm aware that Thomas is baptised in the year that John is supposedly born. There's a slim chance they might be the same person / change of name but I've a feeling that Thomas dies in 1774

Hi Paul - The John Tuckey born to Richard and Anne doesn't have a sister called Jane. I'm sure those Tuckeys are related but we've not made the connection yet. The will specifically mentions Jane and we have the documents from when she inherits. She's also part of the story of the Headley workhouse riots as one of the perpetrators is the husband of her grand daughter and he lived with her in the cottage

The Hollywater Farm that still exists is the same one. It's on old maps. But we don't think this concerns the actual farm of that name because it's too big. It's more likely concerning a farm in Hollywater (it's a hamlet)
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Re: Looking for John Tuckey's 1737 birth

Postby marky » Tue May 16, 2017 12:48 pm

Do you know when, where Thomas and Catherine married?


Nope - can't find that. It may be significant as if John is the eldest, they might have married and had their first child elsewhere
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