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Postby Namkrik » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:33 am

Can anyone assist me with finding some records.
I have some English ancestors who were in Belgium in the early 1850's. So far I have found in the Police Immigration records 1844-1930 some names listed as immigrating to Antwerp. He is missing from the 1851 UK census but does reappear in the 1871 UK census.

Event date 1840-1885
John Kirkman (Kerkman)
Event date 1840-1885
Maria Sarah (widow) Swaisland Kirkman - immigrant, Antwerpen, Belgium
Event date 1840-1885
Benjamin Kirkman

I have also found records of marriages:
Maria Sarah Kirkman (she married April 1852 in Antwerp)
Data of the Act nr. 0341
Project Notary Deeds-Antwerp
Type Act Notary deed
Municipality Of Mortsel
Content description Wedding contract
Deed date 10-04-1852
Comments Act subject: Mortsel.
Notaries Antwerp rep: 08695-nr: 0341
Notary: Spinnael,Albert of Mortsel.
Persons on this Act
Party Name
Maria Sara Kirckman
Hometown Boechout
Party Name Robert William Taylor
Hometown Mortsel

Charlotte Ellen Kirkman not found (she married 24 July 1858 in Bruges)
No further details

What I am trying to find is at what addresses the Kirkman family were living during these times and for how long they were in Brussels, i.e., did they remain there from circa 1852 to circa 1858 or did they come and go. Also, other than those named above, John Kirkman had other children so were they also with him.

I have checked available on line records and cannot find anything further.

I appreciate that this is a "big ask" and am grateful for any help or advice that can be given
With thanks
Stephen
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby BelgianAncestryHelp » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:24 pm

Just to make sure:
Antwerp police recorded John Kerkman and widow Swairland (née Sarah Kerkman) in 1849. John is recorded to be married to Marie Spedding. The record mentions 5 children Marie Sarah 25y, Charlotte Kerkman 14y, Edouard 20y, Benjamin 12y, and Charles William Swairland 13m. They left for the town of Boechout, Belgium, while their last residence was Boulogne sur Mer (France).
Why do you think they lived in Brussels?
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby Namkrik » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:53 am

Hello,
My supposition was that they had moved to Belgium for some time because of the marriage locations referred to for Maria Sarah Kirkman (Swaisland) and Charlotte Kirkman.

Maria Sarah Kirkman, daughter of John Kirkman and Maria Spedding, had first married Amos Swaisland in UK in March 1844. Amos died 1846. Maria Sarah then married Robert William Taylor in Amsterdam in April 1852.

Charlotte Ellen Kirkman, another daughter of the same parents, married Richard Barnes Austin in Bruges in July 1858.

Another daughter, Martha Kirkman had died in 1850 in Ghent.

As John and his family are "missing" from UK censuses in 1851 and 1861 I had assumed that the family stayed in Brussels for a long period. However, the information you have given relating to them moving to Boechout and then to Boulogne sur Mer is interesting. Do you have dates for those moves?

Also of interest is one of John Kirkman"s uncles, Jacob Kirkman (1759-1810) had removed himself from the UK and relocated to Boulogne sur Mer where he died in September 1810 under the name of Jean Jaques Kemp Kirkman.

A little background on the reason for the French style ofJacob's name.
The Kirkman family had originated in Alsace where their family name was Kilchmann/Kirchmann depending on what flavour of government was in control. The name was Anglicised by Jacob who originally Anglicised his name to Kirckman, as when witnessing the will of his master, Hermann Tabel, in 1738 and was Naturalised 25 April 1755 (Anno 28 Georgij II) and changed his name to Kirkman.

Many thanks for the help you have given and I look forward to hearing from you again if there is anything further you could add.

Stephen
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby BelgianAncestryHelp » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:00 am

OK but why do you think they lived in Brussels?
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby Namkrik » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:14 am

Apologies but I have just noticed an error in my reply.

I said that Jacob Kirkman died in Boulogne sur Mer. He actually died in Montreuil sur Mer.

I also said that he had been an uncle of John. In fact Jacob was the brother of John's grandfather, Abraham.

I had misread the place names and assumed a connection between Boulogne sur Mer and Montreuil sur Mer.

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Re: Belgium archives

Postby Sylcec » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:20 am

I know that I'm very rusty on Belgian research, but the family should appear in the Population Registers. As these are cross referenced forwards and backwards (?and to b,m,d registers) it should be possible to track their residences while in Belgium. (I did this for my ancestors in Antwerp many years ago). I am sure that "BelgiumAncestryHelp" will know what I refer to and can advise further.
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby Namkrik » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:26 am

Many thanks Sylvia.

I am looking forward to seeing if BelgiumAncestryHelp can find any more information or point me in the appropriate direction.
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby Sylcec » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:32 am

btw I was interested in the name Swaisland - did she/her family come from North West Kent?
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby Namkrik » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:34 am

I have located some further records relating to Robert Taylor.

Project Notary acts Notary Act Act Commune Mortsel-Antwerp
Type sale of hay grass
Deed date description Content 22-06-1852
Comments Act subject: Mortsel.
Notaries Antwerp rep: 08695-nr: 0350 Notary: Spinnael, Albert to Mortsel.
Persons on this Act
Party Name William Taylor residence Mortsel
Party Name Joseph Ullens

Data of the Act
Project Appointments-province of Antwerp-1796-1900
Antwerp Municipality Act
Appointment Resignation description
Content Type.
Deed date 01-01-1865 (1865)
Observations Find place: Archive province Antwerp, K 550 A-34.
Persons on this Act Party Name Robert William Taylor
Function employee dismissal
Occupation [teacher secondary education]
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Re: Belgium archives

Postby Namkrik » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:42 am

Dear Sylvia,
Here's what I have on Amos Swaisland:

Was described as the eldest son of Amos Swaisland in the announcement of his marriage to Maria Kirkman

From a website listing monumental inscriptions at Southfleet churchyard:

34. William Swaisland died 5.7.1802 aged 24. John Swaisland, father of the above died 18.7.1817 aged 71. Mary Swaisland wife of the above John Swaisland died 22.8.1826 aged 77. Lydia wife of William Waller and daughter of the above John and Mary Swaisland died 8.6.1862 aged 79 and was interred in Epping Chyd.

98. John Swaisland of this Parish son of John and Elizabeth Swaisland died 20.6.1834 aged 78. Anne wife of the above John Swaisland died October 2 1846 aged 77.

99. Amos Swaisland of this Parish died 22.4.1779 aged 76. Ann his wife died 26.12.1784 aged 76. Near 3 children of the above Amos Swaisland viz Ann, William and Elizabeth. Left issue 3 sons and 2 daughters; John, Amos, William, Alethe and Ann.

100. John Swaisland late of this Parish died 23.12.1811 aged 73. Elizabeth his wife died 30.7.1829 aged 78. Jane Hodsoll Allen sister of Elizabeth Swaisland died 7.7.1829 aged 72.
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