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Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby MoVidger » Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:57 pm

Despite several years of searching, I am unable to locate a marriage record for this couple in my family tree:

James Caldwell, born c1804, Scotland (still trying to determine parents)
Eliza Halford, born 11 Sept 1824 St George in the East, London (parents Thomas & Ann)

1841 census: James Caldwell (30) working as a "cooper" in Stepney. P712, B8, F34, P14.
1841 census: Eliza Halford (15) living with parents in St George in the East. P696, B10, F29, P12.

On 16 Oct 1845, James (38) and Eliza (21) Caldwell arrive in New York from London on the Hendrick Hudson. James' occupation is listed as "cooper". (Ancestry records)

James and Eliza settle in Janesville, Rock, Wisconsin where they have 6 children. I have mapped out their Wisconsin life in full detail, so it's just a marriage record I'm still looking for.

Interestingly, James and Eliza returned to London in 1867. James took ill in St George-in-the-East and died there. His brother-in-law Thomas was the informant. Eliza returned to Wisconsin, where she remarried.

I'm still hoping to find a marriage record for James and Eliza -- if only to confirm James' father's name. If the couple married, I presume it was in London circa 1841-1845.

(According to family lore, James Caldwell was a 'sailor' in younger life, but I haven't found any records to confirm this yet. James had two brothers, David and Alexander, who also emigrated to the USA).

Many thanks, in advance, for any assistance provided.
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby Amazinggrace » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:37 pm

Hi Mo,
There are only three births listed for a James Caldwell in 1804.

They are,
13thJan 1804 to James Caldwell and Anne Stevenson in Kilbarchan

23rdMar 1804 to James Caldwell and ? Chalmer in Kirkmichael


23rdDec 1804 to Robert Caldwell and Mary Rouand in Abbey.

Hope that helps
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby MoVidger » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:57 pm

Hi Grace,

Thanks for those Scottish birth entries. It's difficult to confirm where James was born (and to whom) without knowing his father's name. The two chaps I believe to be his brothers (David b1803 and Alexander b1819) also resided in Janesville, Wisconsin at one time or another.
Various family trees indicate Alexander's parents were John & Catherine (nee Telford). In fact, Catherine Caldwell passed away in Janesville in 1847. However, there is that huge gap between James' birth and Alexander's, which does raise a few doubts. Perhaps Alexander was a much younger half-brother to James?

I spent some time researching James Caldwell on Scotland's People a few years ago. But I didn't seem to find anything concrete at the time. I'm hoping a marriage record to Eliza exists somewhere.

Thanks again, Mo
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby Amazinggrace » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:06 pm

Hi Mo,
There is a later birth for a James
29thApril 1810 in Barony(Lanark)to James Caldwell and Sarah Baxter.
They also had a son Alexander born 18thApril 1819 in Bothwell (Lanark)
Not found a David yet.
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby Amazinggrace » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:22 pm

hi,still looking for a david.One query, you have james as born 1804. If the 1841 census is correct and he was 30 then, that makes him born in 1811 not 1804. That would shorten the gap between the brothers births a bit. Especially if David came inbetween.
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby MoVidger » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:42 pm

For James' approx birth year, I use the age which appeared on his 1868 death certificate. It stated he was 62. Also, his birth years on two US census records are varied. The 1850 census gives a birth year of 1804 and the 1860 reckons it was 1809. I tend to think his birth year was 1804 to 1806, but I could be way off base. The New York Passenger & Immigration List stated he was 38 in 1845.
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby sdup26 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:07 pm

As James was 20-odd years older than Eliza, is it possible he wasn't free to marry her because he had previously married in Scotland?
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby MoVidger » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:42 pm

I've often thought there might be a pre-Eliza marriage, as well. But it's like looking for a needle in a haystack, without knowing his birthplace and/or father's name. Also, James was reportedly 'a sailor during his early manhood', so his pre-1841 whereabouts could be anywhere.

Oddly enough, his brother Alexander apparently married in 1840 in Dalkeith, Midlothian. But I see no evidence of that on Scotland's People. Nor can I find him in the Scottish 1841 census. He and his wife Helen (plus Hislop in-laws) didn't emigrate to the USA until Sept 1842. So Alexander is as much of a puzzle as brother James whilst in Scotland.
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby Amazinggrace » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:23 pm

I think I would query Dalkeith as the marriage place of Alexander.
There is a marriage of Alexander Caldwell a cooper and Ann Melville.The banns were read in both
their parishes.Pittenweem (fife)for him and St Cuthberts (Edinburgh) for her.
The marriage took place on the 12th Nov 1840 in Anstruther.Worth a punt I think.
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Re: Caldwell/Halford marriage (London)

Postby Amazinggrace » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:35 pm

Alexander and Ann Caldwell are listed on the 1841 census in Fife.Gives the ages.
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