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Ellen Matthews 1878-?? m. Charles Anderson

Postby Cachalot6972 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:56 pm

Ellen Matthews (1878 Barton Regis, Bristol - ??)
Charles E Anderson (1864 Greenwich? - 1926 Newbury).

Does anyone have either of the above people in their trees?

Ellen was the daughter of William Henry Matthews and Ann (nee Watson).
Birth: Ellen Matthews 1878 Q2 Barton R 6A 150.

Birth: Plausible: Charles E Anderson 1864 Q2 Greenwich 1D 707.

Marriage: Ellen Matthews = Charles Edward Anderson 12 May 1902 in Bristol (1902 Q2 Bristol 6A 212). After their marriage though, they seem to disappear without trace.

Charles’ father is named as William Warden Anderson on the Findmypast Bristol Marriage Index transcription. His mother was Catherine Helen nee Grant.

Charles and Ellen are in Newbury in the 1911 census, running a tobacconist's shop. They had been married eight years and not had any children.

I’ve yet to locate Ellen in the 1901 census or the 1939 Register. There doesn’t seem to be an obvious emigration record for her on Fmp either.

In the 1939 Register there’s an entry for an “Ellen Anderson | 52 Waterloo Road, Cardiff | birth date 10 June 1878 | widow | unpaid domestic duties”.
By something of a roundabout route (luckily she had left a will which named a child who could be found), unfortunately I found that she wasn’t *my* Ellen, so I was back to square one. This is that particular Ellen's death record: Ellen Anderson 1947 Q1 Cardiff 8B 159: Age 68, so not the right one.

I think I’ll have to visit the Bristol Records Office when I’m back in the UK next, but I thought I’d ask on here to see if I could get a handle on them first.
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Re: Ellen Matthews 1878-?? m. Charles Anderson

Postby ianbee » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:31 am

Hi
Electoral registers can move things forward a bit.
Spring 1919 for Newbury has listings for Charles Edward Anderson and Ellen Anderson, at 42 Bartholomew Street. Same address as 1911.
And both still listed there in Spring 1926
But only Ellen Anderson listed in Autumn 1926.

So it looks as though Charles died -
June 1926 Newbury 2c 280
Anderson, Charles Edward Arbuthnot
age 62

There's an entry for him in the 1926 Probate Calendar
Charles Edward Anderson
of 42 Bartholomew-street Newbury Berkshire
died 28 June 1926
Administration 11 August to Ellen Anderson widow

Albert + Agnes Pyke were at 42 Bartholomew Street in 1927, so Ellen obviously moved on.
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Re: Ellen Matthews 1878-?? m. Charles Anderson

Postby carobradford » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:53 pm

It seems likely that Ellen moved away from Newbury after the death of her husband. As the couple appear to have had no children, it might have been natural for her to go back to Bristol. This marriage might be worth investigating:

Marriages Sep 1927   
ANDERSON
Ellen
KING
Bristol 6a 493
  
King
Henry J F
Anderson
Bristol 6a 493

Do you have Ellen's date of birth? This might help locating her (remarried or not) in the 1939 Register
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Re: Ellen Matthews 1878-?? m. Charles Anderson

Postby carobradford » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:56 pm

I have just noted that a Henry J F King died in Newbury in 1962, aged 92, so definitely worth investigating
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Re: Ellen Matthews 1878-?? m. Charles Anderson

Postby ianbee » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:06 pm

The Ellen who married in Bristol was born 1871, according to the 1939 Register. Death registered Marlborough, June qtr 1855, age 84. Probate for her, wife of Henry James Forrester King (who is the chap who died in Newbury)
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Re: Ellen Matthews 1878-?? m. Charles Anderson

Postby Cachalot6972 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:56 pm

Many thanks for your replies folks.

ianbee: I'd found Charles' will on probatesearch a while back; £233 doesn't seem much to leave unless he had spent it all. In the 1891 & 1901 censuses he is recorded as living on his own means. Depending on how it's measured, that sum is worth between £12,000 & £103,000 today (https://www.measuringworth.com).
Looking on Findmypast, there is an electoral roll entry for an Ellen Anderson in 1930 at Scottals End, Hampstead Norris, Berkshire. Hampstead Norris is only about 7 miles north of Newbury but that's the last time any Ellen on her own seems to pop up in Berkshire up until at least 1940.


carobradford: Ellen's birth was registered in 1878 Q2 and I know some folks can be a bit creative with their years of birth but 7 years difference is probably pushing it a bit!
I'll be going back to the UK soon and will be visiting the Bristol RO so will check the marriage out of interest to find out if she was a widow and if there's any maiden name mentioned.
I would have expected her to go back to Bristol as well but there don't seem to be any ER entries for an Ellen Anderson between 1926 & 1940. She did have siblings in London as well, but that gives 37.Ellens, so for the moment anyway, it's a bit of a mystery. Ah well, onwards and upwards...
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