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Re: Evan Samuel Jones missing 1841

Postby jimbo50 » Mon May 01, 2017 10:22 am

Hello Ian. Thank you. Please don't worry about the certificate, think of how many wrong ones you have saved, and besides I'm not sure it is wrong yet. I haven't been able to trace Wm. Sturton of Trafalgar Road Greenwich.
Now I'm confused about burial records, because LB Greenwich website directed me to Deceased Online for theirs, and D.O. don't list St Thomas Charlton.
There's only one Mary Jones nearby in Southwark, buried 17th January 1868, but she was 67 yrs old.
So how do I find the St Thomas, Charlton Records ?
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Re: Evan Samuel Jones missing 1841

Postby ianbee » Mon May 01, 2017 4:24 pm

Hi Jimbo
LMA lists St Thomas Charlton under reference P97/TMS

The burial is
St Thomas Woolwich
1868
Mary Jones
abode Trinity Street
buried January 14
age 85
performed by John K Quarterman

In 1861 in Woolwich, ecclesiastical district of St. Thomas
Marsh Road, "Nightingale Dairy"
Mary Jones, 75, Dairy Keeper, born Cardigansh Aberystwith

That may be it for Marsh Road!
The previous census pages to Mary in 1861 are addresses in Trinity Street.
So I suppose it does look hopeful. But Jones is a common name, even if the advanced age that Mary has reached is a help. So do be cautious.
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Re: Evan Samuel Jones missing 1841

Postby ianbee » Mon May 01, 2017 5:29 pm

Hi again
OK, 1871, and now the registration district is Woolwich, as well as the parish.
It's much the same, Trinity Street starts piece 780 folio 33 page 17
On page folio 35 page 21 we see number 1 Taversons Place
On page 22 Taversons Place continues (it came after the Dairy in 1861)
And also on page 22
1 White Cottage, Trinity Marsh
John Bissett Head 49 Dairyman, born Kent Woolwich
Elizabeth Bissett Wife 49 Kent Woolwich
six children, and a servant

Looking up the children in the new GRO birth index, the mother's maiden name is Jones. Possible marriage, 19 July 1845, St Mary Lewisham, John Bisset + Elizabeth Jones. Something else to investigate perhaps.
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Re: Evan Samuel Jones missing 1841

Postby jimbo50 » Mon May 08, 2017 10:24 am

Hello Ian.
Thank you very much for spending more time on this.
I have applied for Mary Jones' death certificate from GRO.
You have been able to find the now married Elizabeth Jones b.1820, Mary's daughter, continuing to live at the dairy after her death.
I do know that Elizabeth was still named Jones in 1842 as she was a witness at her brother David's wedding.
I found the transcription of the Tithe Map schedule of 1847 Woolwich on the Kent Archaeological Society website.
There is an entry for site no 119 House and Garden that gives Edward Jones and others as occupiers.
I am presuming for the moment that he took on the occupation as eldest son, after Evan died in 1826, although he doesn't appear there after 1841 census.
I'm hoping that i'll get an idea of the scale of the dairy when I can find a copy of the map itself.
Thank you, Ian, for your amazing search skills. You have brought a 'Jones' lost cause back three generations to probably it's traceable end. (Unless I get lucky at NRO or Aberystwyth)
Kindest regards. Jim
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Re: Evan Samuel Jones missing 1841

Postby ianbee » Mon May 08, 2017 11:06 pm

Hi
Yes, Elizabeth Jones married John Bisset, 19 July 1845, at Lewisham
He was an Ostler, father William, a Mariner
And Elizabeth's father was Evan Samuel Jones, Sawyer.

Just looking at the 1891 census, with Elizabeth Bissett, Shopkeeper (Dairy) listed at 58 (Eden Place) L Woolwich Road, then after her its number 59, the Lord Howick PH, then 1 Charlton Vale -
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19 ... rs=163&b=1

Which, once you get rid of the message, is the OS map, revised just a couple of years later, with the Lord Howick on the Woolwich Road, and that road going north from the pub being Trinity Street.
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