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Alice Openshaw 1811

Postby Dene Fisher » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:18 am

I've hit a brick wall with the parents of my 3rd great grandmother, Alice Openshaw born about 1811 in or around Bolton, Lancashire.
I've got her marrying Richard Entwistle in 1833 but only from Church banns - as I understand it 'proper' marriage certificates containing the fathers names etc only started around 1837?
Can anyone help please
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Re: Alice Openshaw 1811

Postby carobradford » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:36 am

I think it is more likely that the document you are looking at is the entry in the parish marriage register. With the introduction of civil registration on 1 July 1837, C of E marriage registers changed and became identical in format to those used for all marriages, including those in register offices - I think this is what you mean by a "proper marriage certificate".

If you are indeed looking at an 1833 marriage register it should provide the names of at least two witnesses, which might be of use in identifying parents or siblings of the couple.
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Re: Alice Openshaw 1811

Postby Dene Fisher » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:30 pm

Thanks,
I've found the witnesses very useful in the past, as you say witnesses were very often family members.
In this instance I can't see any connection to the witnesses, James Booth(the mark of) & James Liptrott.
I've come across James Liptrott as a witness many many times in the Bolton area, the name sent me on a wild goose chase in my early research days. I don't know who he was but I've just noticed that he is the second witness on every entry on the page containing Alice
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Re: Alice Openshaw 1811

Postby ciderdrinker » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:30 pm

Hi
This seems to be her at Bolton le Moors
Alice Openshaw d of Mary of Darcy Lever 21st June 1812.No father listed.
Brother Thomas 19.3.1815 s of Mary of Great Lever spinster.Again no father.
Sister Ann 19.11.1817 of Darcy Lever spinster
John born 18.7.1810 bapt 11 Aug Little Lever of Outerwood?

There's another 2 earlier who may be hers at Bolton le Moors
Samuel 20.9.1795 and Martha 1.4.1798 d of Mary of Tong

Sorry there's no father but at least there's a start

ps a possible baptism for Mary the mother at Bolton le Moors under Manchester baptism on Ancestry
13.11.1791 d of John and Betsey of DL.
23.101.1785 d of Mary of Dl
27.2.1785 d of Ralph and Ann of Dl.
23.6.1782 of Thomas and Ann

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Re: Alice Openshaw 1811

Postby Dene Fisher » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:20 am

Thanks for the help, I think the 1812 birth is the most likely - I found a later marriage of a Mary Openshaw to George Taylor in 1828 and then a Mary Taylor buried with Alice so the two tie up
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