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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby AntonyM » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:14 pm

I suspect these changes may not be very high up on the government agenda given recent electoral events, however there is a current court case in Northern Ireland that may force the issue back into focus ....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... st-wedding
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby junkers » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:14 pm

AntonyM wrote:I suspect these changes may not be very high up on the government agenda given recent electoral events, however there is a current court case in Northern Ireland that may force the issue back into focus ....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... st-wedding


This should have no effect, not least because Northern Ireland has a devolved government and it would not effect the UK. As for a time period remember when the Government was going to modernise the Registration system until Edwina Currie (the Minister) ran into trouble with the safety of eggs to eat many years ago and that was put on the back foot for many years.
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby AntonyM » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:40 pm

Whilst the case in NI has no direct effect it will feed in to the review process that was started by the law commission to look at the whole issue of marriage law reform around 2015, which included humanist ceremonies. That was then complicated by the promise made by David Cameron to include mother's names on registers. With recent political uncertainties it seems to have moved way down the priority list but this decision may well kick the whole review back into life.
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby junkers » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:28 pm

I wouldn't hold your breath on this one, Government has enough on its plate already.
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby AntonyM » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:09 am

Sunday Telegraph reporting today that a new draft bill has been tabled and "welcomed by the Home Office" to bring forward these changes - so we may soon see the long overdue recording of mother's names on marriage certificates.

Shame that for cost reasons, it will be a digital based system (mirroring that used for civil partnerships) and the physical marriage registers will disappear as a result ...
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby junkers » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:26 pm

This Bill is from the House of Lords and once it reaches the house of Commons it may face opposition. If the Home Office is keen on it they would have introduced it themselves. One wonders how this will work if it is digital as that would seem to impose costs on churches and other places of marriage.
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby AntonyM » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:59 pm

Assuming it does get into the Commons (and it was a Tory promise to do it) , I can't see many MPs wanting to vote against it ....why would they ?

The clever bit about this is that is uses an existing system, the sad part is that it does away with marriage registers but that means they they don't all need to be replaced and overall actually saves money. No cost implications for churches at all ...
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby AntonyM » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:35 am

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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby junkers » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:27 pm

This sounds ok, but if the Government is keen on the Bill why don't they put it forward?, they have had years to do so. It only needs one Member of Parliament to stand up and 'talk it out'. I'll wait to see what the Bill actually says before passing judgement.
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Re: Marriage Registers Bill (2017)

Postby Guy » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:57 am

I hope the bill fails as it seems to me to be badly thought out and by tightening up one form of security that has worked well since 1837 has opened up a huge hole in security enabling criminals to produce their own completed marriage schedules and have them registered by the registrar
It also contains a retrograde step of requiring the bride or groom to register the marriage at a later date rather than a marriage register be filled in at the time of the marriage.
The Bill may be seen at https://tinyurl.com/ybqlrvns

There are other marriage bills going through parliament The Marriage Act 1949 (Amendment) Bill [HL] 2017-19

https://tinyurl.com/y7vom892

Which seems to suggest that despite what the Marriage Registers Bill (2017) states marriages will still have to be entered into marriage registers and the quarterly returns to registrars will still have to take place, one hand does not know what the other hand is doing.

There is also the Registration of Marriages No 2 bill

https://tinyurl.com/y6wbufnz

Which seems to me to be the enabling bill to allow the registration of the schedules.
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