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Gilmans in 1891

Postby Pam Phillips » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:39 pm

Gilmans in 1891

One branch of the Gilman family is proving elusive. William Macdonald Gilman (1847–1904) married Helen Elizabeth Ainslie in Berwick in 1871 and they had 2 sons, Francis , 1873 & George, 1875. (both baptised)
In the 1881 census all 4 are living at 6 Cornwall Rd, Paddington. In 1891 the 2 boys are with an uncle, Henry Gilman, at Sutton at Hone, Kent, and I can't find either parent!
In 1901 William Macdonald Gilman is at 1 Graham St, Newington, (says he is a widower) with 4 more children, Thomas, Phyllis, Mabel and Stanley. No baptisms. I sent for Thomas’s birth certificate to find his mother’s name, Elizabeth Broughton (she died in 1898).
In 1911 his wife Helen Elizabeth Ainslie is still alive in at 6 Crookham Rd, Fulham with a lodger. Her marriage certificate states she was a spinster, but she was a widow with a daughter, Helen Waller Ainslie, born in China in 1865. Can only find her in 1871, 1891 and 1901, and in 1903 she was a witness at her half-brother Francis’s wedding.
I would really love some help in filling in the gaps!
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Re: Gilmans in 1891

Postby sdup26 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:02 pm

The 1871 census for Berwick shows the householder as Helen Ainslie. Living with her are her daughter Helen Elizabeth Ainslie, and grand-daughter Helen W Ainslie, listed as born 1866 in Northumberland, not China.
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Re: Gilmans in 1891

Postby trace » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:10 pm

Phyllis Broughton Gilman birth 1889 mothers maiden name BROUGHTON
Mabel 1891 also BROUGHTON
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Re: Gilmans in 1891

Postby ianbee » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:26 pm

Possible bad news about 1891, if this is him
1891 electoral register has
Southwark, West Division
Polling District No. 2, Christ Church Surrey
Lodgers
26 Nelson square
Gilman, William McDonald
Two rooms first floor, unfurnished
Landlord/rent paid to - W. Bisp and W. M. Gilman, 26 Nelson square

1892
Now in Division 1 voters -
26 Nelson square
Gillman, William McDonald

Lodger voters has
26 Nelson square
Bareham, Frederick H. C.
Two rooms second floor, unfurnished
Rent 7s. per week
Landlord/rent paid to - W. M. Gilman, 26 Nelson square
+
Stimpson, Caleb
Two rooms first floor, unfurnished
Rent 8s. 6d.
Landlord/rent paid to - W. M. Gilman, 26 Nelson square

Bad news because,
Historical Streets Project reports that chunks of Nelson Square appear to be missing in the 1891 census, i.e.
Nelson Square (nearby street Blackfriars Road)
Remarks - Pt 21-26 pt MISSING back of f6
Dwellings - pt, Nelson Square, 26-65
Ref - RG 12/341
Folio - 7-14
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... _Index_M-O

Looking on ancestry,
Piece 341 folio 7 page 9
first entry, schedule 73
26 Nelson Sq
Elizabeth Calvert Head Widow 84, born Wilts Devizes
then numbers 27, 28 (multi occupied)
Doesn't have the "Houses Inhabited" box marked for number 26, it has obviously continued from the previous page (8). Which appears to be missing. Oddly, on ancestry, the previous images seem to be from a completely different enumeration district.
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Re: Gilmans in 1891

Postby Pam Phillips » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:31 pm

I realise That Helen Elizabeth Ainslie's maiden name was Wilson. I also attach (I think) the birth record of her daughter, born in China. But where are they in 1891?
Thank you, Ian, for that info in the census for Nelson Square.
Would like a bit more info. on Elisabeth Broughton. There is a family of Broughton's in Kingston with a child, Mabel. Can this be her parents?
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Re: Gilmans in 1891

Postby ianbee » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:03 pm

Homeward Mail from India, China and the East, 9th September 1871
Marriages
Gilman—Ainslie— Sept. 5, at Norham Parish Church, William McDonald Gilman, Esq., of The Boltons, London, to Helen Elizabeth, widow of the late T. A. Ainslie, Esq., M.D., of Tientsin, China.

A brief announcement in the same newspaper, 29th January 1866, that the wife of Dr. T. A. Ainslie had given birth to a daughter at Tientsin, 25 November.
Possibly there will be more about them from that source.

In 1901, the said daughter, Helen Ainslie, 35, born China, is at 33 Irene Road, Fulham. And is the only person there. But Helen Gilman is listed on the electoral register at the address both before and after the census. So it looks like she had gone off somewhere at the crucial time!

It's obviously a blow if William and Elizabeth's census entry for 1891 is lost. Especially regarding Elizabeth's place of birth, to help with identifying her.
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Re: Gilmans in 1891

Postby ianbee » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:20 pm

1911
Helen Waller Ainslie is at 237 Kings Road, Fulham. Age 45, Artist. Still designing the christmas cards! Born China Tien Sin (or similar)
Transcribed Ainstie on ancestry
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Re: Gilmans in 1891

Postby Pam Phillips » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:08 pm

Thank you Ian, for that. I have found information on her first husband, he was a doctor/surgeon, as was his father.
I had completely missed the electoral rolls, so that's great, to know she was with her daughter.
But who is Elizabeth Broughton? She and William had 6 children
Thomas 1884 - mother's maiden name Broughton
Dorothea 1887 -1887 -mother's name Harris!
Phyllis Broughton - 1889 - mother's name Broughton
Mabel 18891 "
Stanley not registered
Elizabeth died in 1898. Perhaps Harris was her maiden name, and she first married a Broughton. Then why give Thomas and Phyllis Broughton as a middle name.
Baffled
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