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Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby ciderdrinker » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:23 am

Hi
Anyone up for a challenge?
I've got a William Tickle and Miriam Oats marrying at St Barts Wednesbury 13.11.1791
He dies relatively young 8.5.1815 age 40 which fits nicely with a baptism over the boarder at Darlaston 29.9.1774 to William and Joice nee Taylor married 6.4.1760.
All lovely but while I can find records for Joice Taylor no sign of William senior except his burial 9.5.1799 at Wednesbury.

I can't find Miriam/Merial/Mary Ann Oats either .The only other sign of her after 1815 is the 1851 census at Sandwell Lane WB.
Martha Tickle 42 widow warehousewoman
Mary Ann 18
Joseph 14
William 10
Elizabeth 8
Mertal Elater? 81 mother in law. Wednesbury

So does anyone fancy a challenge?
Any help appreciated.I know it's a tough one.

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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby sdup26 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:37 pm

Definitely a challenge. I can't find anything remotely helpful; thought I'd got a possible with Miriam Gething in Wednesbury in 1841, on the basis that if William died in 1815, did Miriam remarry? (Even allowing for spelling variations, 'Mertal Elator' doesn't look like Miriam Tickle) But unfortunately, Miriam Gething was 45, so born about 1796. Haven't given up though....
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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby ciderdrinker » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:44 am

Hi
Thanks for your reply.
The answer is I can't find a remarriage for her or a death.
I have a William Oats marrying a Merrill/Mirriam Wilks at West Bromwich in 1723 and they have two children I can find Ann (1726) and Thomas (in 1743) in Wednesbury.
I think Thomas is the right age to be Miriam's father but no marriage or baptisms I can see.

Oh well !

Thank you for having a look.It was very kind of you

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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby ianbee » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:18 pm

That's a long gap between those two baptisms in Wednesbury.
There are these others in between -
2 June 1734, James the Son of William and Merel Woates
6 June 1736, John the Son of William and Merem Woats
2 Feb 1739/40, Hannah the Daughter of William and Miriam Woate
and this one as well
29 May 1732, Joseph the Son of William + Merrell Woattes (alias Millard?)

I don't know if the William married to Miriam/Merem could be the William Oates, bap 9 August 1702, at Wednesbury, son of John (a nailer) and Sarah
Marriage in October 1686 there of John Oats, alias Milnor, and Sarah Cocks

None of which helps with finding Mrs Tickle!
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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby sdup26 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:28 pm

Re that 1851 census showing "Mertal Elator" - assuming the first name is supposed to be Miriam, the second word looks a lot like Elaton, which is a real surname! Ancestry has a handful (Elaton/Elliton) and familysearch also has a couple of Elatons on it. So very unusual, but if Miriam really did remarry to someone of that name, I can't find a record of it, nor a death for her under Elaton (or vars) post 1851.
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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby ciderdrinker » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:21 pm

Hello
Thank you both .
I'd never have looked for Woattes and the Millard/Milner thing gives me foof for thought.
Plenty of stuff for me to follow up there.
Thank you I feel there is a least hope on the horizon.
Cheers
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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby ianbee » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:06 pm

Hi
William (Tittle) and Martha Timmings married 12 April 1830, at Handsworth (this should be the Martha who has mother in law "Elator/Elaton" with her in 1851?)
Marriage was witnessed by Richard Tittle, possibly William's brother
A Richard Tickle married Sarah Hartshorn, 13 March 1831, also at Handsworth.

So, concentrating on marriages for Miriams at Handsworth St Mary, finds a possibility (transcribed Pittle on ancestry!)
17 May 1819
Roger Clayton
+
Miriam Tittle
Both bride and groom marked.
Unfortunately their marital status is not given, maybe it was on the banns.

So, could that strange name in 1851, and I agree with sdup that it could be Elaton, have been a misread or misheard version of Clayton?
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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby sdup26 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:06 am

I'd wondered about 'Clayton' but got nowhere. The Roger Clayton-Miriam Tittle marriage in 1819 looks good, but don't know if this is the same man: a Roger Clayton died in 1833 aged 36 (born c1797) abode West Brom, burial Wednesbury.
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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby ianbee » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:31 pm

Hi, yes a Roger Clayton was buried at Wednesbury, 5 November 1833, age 36
He was killed in a mining accident (which is reported in newspapers)
I am hoping that he is the chap who was married to Ann, and had children baptized between 1819 and 1833. The first baptism was in Tipton, the remainder in Wednesbury. On all of them Roger's occupation is Miner. On the first, and again on the last couple of baptisms, the abode given is West Bromwich.
The last of those baptisms was 17 Nov 1833, at Wednesbury, a daughter Ann
There's a possible marriage for them at Dudley St Thomas, 2 November 1818, Roger Clayton + Ann Martin.
And at Rushall St Michael, 28 December 1842, might be his widow remarrying?
George Stevenson, widower, occ Miner
+
Ann Clayton, widow, father John Martin, Puddler
residence for both West Bromwich

Now, back in the Wednesbury burial register, just two months before the younger Roger was buried
19 September 1833
Roger Clayton
abode W Bromwich
age 71

Whether this older Roger (who may perhaps be the father of, or related to, the younger Roger) is the husband of the Miriam of the 1819 marriage, I can't say for sure.

Re Miriam Clayton
So far, the best I can come up with - if by some chance it is the the right lady -
1841 in West Bromwich
piece 977 book 8 folio 24 page 5
Maria Clayton 70 occupation ?, Yes, born in county
living with an assortment of people

I can't see a death for that lady in West Bromwich district prior to 1851, not sure either that I can find her in the 1851 census (so hoping she is Elaton!)
Most hopeful looking death possibility
June 1852 West Bromwich 6b 344
Clayton, Mary
age 88
(that age is leap upwards from the 81 of Martha's mother in law the previous year)
Buried at West Bromwich All Saints, 2 May 1852. Mary Clayton, abode Mares Green, age 88 (FreeReg).The abode might fit with 1851, it might not (need a West Bromwich expert!)
So inconclusive really.
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Re: Mr and Mrs Tickle

Postby sdup26 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:45 pm

All Saints, Mares (Mayers) Green, where Mary Clayton was buried 1852, is ENE of West Brom, about 2 mls from Wednesbury, where both Roger Claytons were buried. Hopefully, ciderdrinker will know if the geography of Sandwell Lane fits with this.
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