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Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby NickConnor » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:33 pm

Hello, I wondered if I could have some help /guidance as I've hit a bit of a brick wall.
Right, well after 10 years, a marriage & 3 children I have decided to try tracing my elusive family once again! 
I have spent a few weeks retracing my steps and putting together what I can but I am none the wiser when it comes to my grandfather.

The information I have so is as follows:

Frank (Francis?) Joseph Connor.
Married Mary Shannon in 1941, Hendon.

Frank Joseph Connor was 27 on their wedding day (1941) and Mary was 23, this would mean that Mary was born in 1918 whereas I have her birth certificate saying that she was born in 1912. Were women a little "flexible" with their dates of birth in those days by any chance?
Her fathers name was Michael Shannon and he was a coal miner.
Frank Connors dad was called yup you guessed it, Frank Connor he was also a coal miner. Both were deceased at the time of the marriage.
It makes it all very confusing with everyone having the same name! :o)
The two witnesses were Mary's sister and brother, Katherine Shannon and Michael Shannon. They all lived in South Harrow.

So where do you suggest I go from her then?
Look for a Frank Connor born in 1918? My dad believes that he was born in Manchester somewhere..........


My dad said that he scarpered around the time of the marriage, it was said that he went to war but he may have just disappeared and the war thing was just a cover.
My dad also thinks that he was originally from Lancashire, possibly Manchester.

Other than this I'm drawing a blank and I really don't know where to go from here. 

I'm very intrigued about my dad's father and his family so would like to go down that road if at all possible. Struggling somewhat with the limited info at the moment.


Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby sdup26 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:51 pm

It's possible that Frank (Francis) really did go to war. There's a WW2 record on
http://www.forces-war-records.co.uk for a Francis Joseph Connor, Royal Artillery, No 4123325. Unfortunately, you have to pay to view the full record, but you may feel it's worth a punt.
Incidentally, if a woman was older than her husband-to-be, it wasn't unknown for an age 'adjustment' to be made, so she appeared younger than him.
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby MayHam » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:20 am

You mention they were from South Harrow.
There is a Francis Connor in Harrow with the Baldwin family in 1939.

1939- 87 Sherwood Road , Harrow U.D., Middlesex, England
Francis Connor, 30 Sep 1913, Male, Engineers Turner, Single, 263, 6
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 2F019%2F43

He appears to have died in 1975. The death record may list his parents' names.
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Francis Joseph Connor
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1975
Registration District: Tameside
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Tameside, Lancashire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 30 Sep 1913
Volume: 39
Page: 1820
Line Number: 108
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCY-ZKNJ

Mary Shannon also appears in Harrow with her siblings in 1939.

1939- 61 Eastcote Avenue , Harrow U.D., Middlesex, England
Mary Connor (Shannon), 06 Mar 1912, Female, Unpaid Light Home Duties, Single, 238, 4
John Shannon, 13 Jul 1905, Male, Plasterer, Single, 238, 1
Michael Shannon, 10 Sep 1919, Male, Electric Welder, Single, 238, 2
Kitty Shannon, 04 Dec 1909, Female, Factory Hand (Packer), Single, 238, 5
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 2F018%2F20

This family appears in Wallsend in 1911.

1911- 19 Charles Street, Wallsend, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Michael Shannon, Head, Married, Male, Coal Miner Hewer, 32, 1879, Hebburn Durham
Mary Shannon, Wife, Married, Female, -, 29, 1882, Felling Durham
John Shannon, Son, -, Male, -, 6, 1905, Wallsend Northumberland
Willam Shannon, Son, -, Male, -, 4, 1907, Wallsend Northumberland
Cathrine Shannon, Daughter, -, Female, -, 1, 1910, Wallsend Northumberland
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 2f0469%2f3

And in Gateshead in 1901.

1901- Holly Street, Felling, Heworth, Gateshead, Durham, England
William McKay Head Married Male 57 1844 Chemical Labourer Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Mary McKay Wife Married Female 52 1849 - Scotland
William McKay Son Single Male 32 1869 Quarry Labourer Felling, Durham, England
John McKay Son Single Male 22 1879 Chemical Labourer Felling, Durham, England
Janet McKay Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Day Servant Domestic Felling, Durham, England
Martha McKay Daughter - Female 14 1887 Day Servant Domestic Felling, Durham, England
Julia McKay Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Felling, Durham, England
Michael Shannon Son-In-Law Married Male 22 1879 Coal Miner Hewer Felling, Durham, England
Mary Shannon Wife Married Female 20 1881 - Felling, Durham, England
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 0031188664

These might be their children...

SHANNON, THOMAS    
MCKAY  
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 969

SHANNON, MARY    
MCKAY  
GRO Reference: 1903  S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 219

SHANNON, JOHN    
MCKIE  
GRO Reference: 1905  S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 232

England Births and Christenings
Name: Gulielmus Shannon
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Dec 1907
Christening Place: Willington Quay, England
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1907
Father's Name: Michael Shannon
Mother's Name: Mariae Mckie Shannon
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQHL-GXX

SHANNON, WILLIAM    
MCKIE  
GRO Reference: 1908  M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 220

SHANNON, CATHERINE    
MCKIE  
GRO Reference: 1910  M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 183

SHANNON, MARY  ANNIE  
MCKIE  
GRO Reference: 1912  J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 425

SHANNON, ANNIE    
MCKAY  
GRO Reference: 1914  J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 379

SHANNON, MICHAEL    
MCKAY  
GRO Reference: 1916  J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 383

Michael Shannon & Mary Mckay were married in Gateshead in 1900.

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name: Michael Shannon
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1900
Registration District: Gateshead
County: Durham
Event Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Volume: 10A
Page: 1642
Line Number: 100
Michael Shannon probably married one of the following people
Name: Mary Mckay
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26SQ-H4Y
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby carobradford » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:54 am

"The death record may list his parents' names."

No it will not! Such information does not form part of the death registration of adults in England and Wales, though it can sometimes be seen on death certificates of infants.
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby NickConnor » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:34 pm

Wow, thanks for all of the replies its really appreciated, lots of information to look into further and digest!

sdup26 - Interestingly enough I've come across the same war record but I was told on another forum a while back that the Frank J Connor in question wasn't the Frank Connor I was looking for as it was a record that someone knew of and said that he was from and resided in Liverpool, so I didn't go any further with that one.

MayHam - Thanks for all of the info, its more than I could've asked for, thanks very much for the time that you've spent looking into it for me. Much appreciated. Lots to divulge! I also tracked back Mary back to the McKay's/McKie's but you appear to have obtained more info than I did so thank you. I see that you have unlocked the households to get the info, is that right?

As mentioned around the time of the marriage it was said that he went to war but he may have just disappeared and the war thing was just a cover.

Interestingly enough I have found the electoral roll at 61 Eastcote Avenue , South Harrow for 1950 living there was Mary Connor, Catherine Shannon, John Shannon and Michael Shannon (Mary's brothers and sisters). The same group were there in 1949 too, except Catherine is down as Kitty and in 1947 too but just Mary Kitty and Michael. No sign of Frank Connor at all?
It may be a long shot, but interestingly there is a Frank J Connor living just under 4 miles away from South Harrow in Harrow Weald according to the electoral rolls from 1946 to 1953 with a Mary McGovern. In 1949 there are also a Chriss (yes with 2 S's) and a Phillip[ McGovern at 798 Kenton Lane, in addition to Frank and Mary. Potential here maybe?


Thanks, Nick
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby sdup26 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:14 pm

I'm glad you were able to rule out that war forces record; saves you some trouble and money! And just for further elimination purposes, if Francis/Frank Joseph was born in Lancashire, there seems to be only one Francis J born around the right year, in Wigan 1914, but the GRO site has his name in full as Francis James, so again, not your man.
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby MayHam » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:29 pm

My pleasure, Nick.
There was a Francis Joseph Connor registered in Lancashire in the September quarter of 1912 and a couple of others in Manchester in 1912 and 1914.

CONNOR, FRANCIS  JOSEPH  
DARRACOTT  
GRO Reference: 1912  S Quarter in TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 244
The district Toxteth P. is an alternative name for Toxteth Park and it is in the county of Lancashire

CONNOR, FRANCIS    
CRAVEN  
GRO Reference: 1912  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 336

CONNOR, FRANK    
JONES  
GRO Reference: 1914  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 466

There was a Christopher D. McGovern registered in 1944 in Liverpool South whose mother's maiden name was also McGovern. I couldn't find a Philip. I also couldn't find a death record for Christopher or Philip so I can't really share any more information than that. Don't know if the following could be their mother or not?

Deaths Jun 1972
MCGOVERN Aileen 15Je1905 Harrow 5b 2134  
MCGOVERN Ellen Mary 15Je1905 Harrow 5b 2134  
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

I couldn't find a will for Frank but there might be an obituary somewhere that might provide his parents' names. Unfortunately, I'm on the wrong side of the big pond so can't really advise where to find it.

I didn't have to unlock anything to access the 1939 information. Hope it helps.
Cheers!
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby NickConnor » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:18 am

Thank you both very much, your help once again is very much appreciated! I'll have a look at the births you mention on GRO.
It's a tricky one as I haven't much to go on really.
I spoke to my dad last night to find out if he had any further info and he recalls some letters that he found as a child in a cupboard. They were from Manchester and they were all apologising for his dad's ( Frank Connor) behaviour, again suggesting that he upped and left and was with someone else. My dad 'thinks' they may have been from an Annie and Eric?
He also believes that Frank Connor died around late 50's maybe? His aunt Catherine (Kitty) sorted out a pension etc and was able to arrange for my dad's mum Mary to receive money as a result of his death?
These are all very hazy and distant memories for my dad, but might be something in it to work with?

The hunt continues........

Thanks again, Nick
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby ianbee » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:40 pm

NickConnor wrote:The hunt continues........

On Rootschat, apparently
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=664875.9
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Re: Frank Connor Help Please - Where to go now?

Postby NickConnor » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Don't worry Ian I'm still here, just retracing my steps from my previous search.
So, putting 2 and 2 together, some guidance and using the info that Mayham kindly provided above I believe that this is my grandfather Frank Connor

1939- 87 Sherwood Road , Harrow U.D., Middlesex, England 
Francis Connor, 30 Sep 1913, Male, Engineers Turner, Single, 263, 6
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 2F019%2F43

He appears to have died in 1975.
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Francis Joseph Connor
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1975
Registration District: Tameside
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Tameside, Lancashire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 30 Sep 1913
Volume: 39
Page: 1820
Line Number: 108
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCY-ZKNJ


It has him in South Harrow, his name of course, the Lancashire connection and the correct year of birth.

With this additional information of dob and death is there anywhere that I can obtain further family information? I see that you can't get a death certificate from gro after 1957,is that correct?

Many thanks. Nick
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