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Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby Sarspen242 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:03 pm

I hope you can help me to find more details about my great grandmother Charlotta Emilia Johnson.

I have found the January 1913 marriage record for Charlotta Emelia Johnson aged 26 (born 1887) to Thomas Woodger which shows Charlotta's address in Tortworth. I found her in the 1911 census with her place of birth as Sweden.

The only other potentially relevant record I have is a 1907 incoming passenger list which includes a Charlotte Johnson from Sweden aged 22 (born circa 1885). But I am not sure how I can confirm if this is the right person.

So this is where I am now stuck. I cannot find any record of the place of birth in Sweden, so I don't know where to look now for earlier records of Charlotta.

All help gratefully received.
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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby Sarspen242 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:04 pm

Thank you
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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby sdup26 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:26 pm

On the 1911 census, it looks as if she was born in Langbeya, Sweden. It's been transcribed as Llangbeys on findmypast, and Laiybeya on ancestry, but maybe you know of a place in Sweden with a name that would fit.
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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby junkers » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:01 pm

It might be Ljungby in Sweden.
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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby sdup26 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:31 pm

I wondered about Ljungby, and tried it on a pronounciation website, to see if it sounded anything like Langbeya or similar, as transcribed on the census, but it didn't. Could still be right though.

The Charlotte Johnson who arrived in Southampton in 1907 had travelled from New York. Is that the one you refer to in your post? I tried the US census for 1900, but could only come up with Charlotte (1885) and Selina (1882) Johnson, living in Connecticut with the family of their brother-in-law Adolph Modene and wife Anna, all of them born Sweden, but unfortunately, no birth town given.
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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby AdrianB38 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:16 pm

sdup26 wrote:... a pronunciation website ...

Yes, I'm not certain where some of these sites get those pronunciations from. I was trying to find the pronunciation of a Polish name and at least one of the sites had a guy with a Mid-Western accent giving a radically different pronunciation from others... Maybe his great-great-granny was Polish...
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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby Sarspen242 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:35 pm

Thank you for the suggestions for alternative place names in Sweden, I will look into those.

The 1907 passenger list I found was from New York but I have no idea how to confirm if that is the right person.

According to family members Charlotta never spoke of Sweden or how she arrived in the U.K. So I'm stumped!


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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:05 am

I take it that you know that her date of birth was 30 November 1887 according to the 1939 Register?

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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby AdrianB38 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:50 am

Re the 1907 person - if they arrive in the UK from New York and are born in Sweden, then it follows that they have previously arrived in New York from somewhere. I'd suggest that you try to find a record of the 1907 passenger arriving in New York. If you do manage to find her, the data will vary depending on quite when they arrived, but the extra information may help to confirm or deny her. Similarly I'd look for the 1907 person arriving back in New York - if they do, then it would make it unlikely that she is your ancestor.

My other suggestion at this point is made from ignorance so may be utterly impractical. What records exist in the UK National Archives of naturalisations and alien arrivals? Can they be searched to find all Swedish Johansson (etc for spelling) arrivals and if so are there any clues to family members and birthplaces? I guess that if there are hundreds then this is a bad idea while I also would have thought that Charlotta would have appeared in the indexes under her own name and she presumably doesn't.

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Re: Charlotta Johanson from Sweden

Postby meekhcs » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:04 am

From Ancestry Sweden Indexed birth records there is a birth record for Charlotta Emilia on Nov 3 1887.On the same day there is a record for Emma Christiana(?).
Against Emma's record a father is recorded as John Peter Persson.
Against Charlotta's record a mother is recorded as Eva Olsson.
The birth is registered at Valluv Malmohus Sweden

On Charlotta's marriage entry, also on Ancestry under Gloucester marriages, her Father is recorded as John Peter Persson Johnson.

I found the birth record by just using Charlotta's christian names and the date of birth supplied by {edited} Adrian .

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