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Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby sarahlouise_robertson » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:54 pm

Hello all!

I've spent all morning on the Harrisons in Marston Montgomery, Derbyshire and Uttoxeter, Staffs

I could do with having the relationships and family lines checking, because I am getting in a muddle!

I have marriage certificates back to Thomas and Sarah, which has William Harrison listed as his deceased father). It's when I get to Jane Furniss and back is when I am confused!

If you are on Ancestry my tree "Robertson Family Research"

So, I think my Harrison line - starting with my Great Granddad - is:

James Harrison (1896 - 1936)
son of:
James Harrison (1856 - 1938) and Martha Jenks (1861-1929)
son of:
Thomas Harrison (1834-1893) and Sarah Mycock (1829-1892)
son of:
William Harrison (1809- 1890) and Jane Furniss (1809-1866)
son of:
William? and Frances?

Any help will be MUCH appreciated - especially with William and Jane who spend a few census' apart! There seems to be lots of Harrisons around at the time.

S.
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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby ciderdrinker » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:16 pm

Good Afternoon
I think the reason people haven't replied is that you've changed Thomas Harrison's birth from 1834 to 1843 and they just don't know what you want to know.

I've had a look at the tree and it's really detailed and I agree with all of it until William and Jane's marriage in 1832.It's magnificent and all you could want to know.

I did just have some doubts about that baptism in 1809.
There is another in the same parish 31.3.1809 s of Mary and two burials for the two men.

William 1809-11.3.1890 and William 1810-1.3.1875.
I'd be inclined to believe that the first, yours is the son of Mary born earlier in March 1809 and the second born before 17.9.1809 yet to turn 66 is the son of William and Frances.

There is a Thomas Harrison baptised 16.9.1810 at MM s of Thomas and Mary Harrison and it may be that Thomas the father is missing of William's baptism and they are brothers.This could be the Thomas on his marriage as a witness in 1832.Although as 'single' Mary bapt 5.5.1786 seems to have a father Thomas and mother Mary and a brother Thomas bapt 6.7.1775 who could fit the bill.

There's a Will for William senior 1815 but that really doesn't help as the children are too small and everything is to his wife Frances then the children.


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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby sarahlouise_robertson » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:50 pm

Thank you for the reply and for pointing out the typo!
I hope correcting that means that more people are able to help me...I'm relatively new to all this, and been a 'closet' family history wannabee for ages!

The things I'd really like to know are;

a) if I have the right Harrison line - especially;

b) William Harrison b1809 and in 1841 is in prison at Derby County Gaol and House of Correction, St Werburgh, Derby. I am struggling to follow his life - with living in different locations and away from who I believe to be his wife.

AND

Thomas Harrison b1834 who in 1891 is in Whitgreave, Staffordshire, England - Living at The Greyhound Inn, Yarlet.
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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby ciderdrinker » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:19 pm

Good Morning
Let's deal with Thomas and Sarah first.I know they have been living apart on the previous two censuses.
1881 Stramshall
Sarah Harrison 51 married monthly nurse is born Stramhall
And Thomas is in Castle Church Staffordshire as a married servant age 47 born Uttoxeter which you have.

Both their ages and birthplaces match with the 1891 census and they have consistently given their status as married.Even with the surname Harrison it would be a big coincidence that there was another couple with birthplaces the same and same ages.Stramhall particularly I haven't heard of before.

It looks like Thomas has been working his way up to the higher level of servants and by 1881 he is working for an annuitant and land holder.She would have been having visitors from other members of the landed classes bringing their own servants along and no doubt talking in the kitchen about jobs going etc.
Whitgreave isn't that far from Castle Church.Did his employer have land out that way? Did they visit the area and Thomas Harrison spotted the possibilities.I think it has to be him.

Going on to William Harrison and Jane ,they are together in 1851 ages 43 and born Marston Mont. and Baslow.1861 no problem together again.1871 and 1881 William is with daughter Jane so no problem.And he's buried 1890 so it's really only before 1851.
We have Jane with the children in 1841 so what has taken William away from home.

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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby ciderdrinker » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:10 pm

Sorry I'm in the Library and BT are messing about with the phone lines.
Anyway
While I can see that the William Harrison you have found is the only William Harrison who could fit in Derbyshire ,that doesn't prove it's him does it? I was hoping to spot something on the Newspaper or Court files but no entries.So yes maybe,probably.
There is another William and Jane who I'm sure you've seen in MM 1841
William 30 tailor y
Jane 30
John 4
Frances 2
Martha 5mths.
This looks like the William who married Jane Allcock at MM 3.12.1835 and certainly isn't yours.

While I'm here William and Frances Harrison -have you seen the marriage 31.12.1805 at MM to Frances Taft?
Possible christening at Uttoxeter 8.12.1779 to Thomas and Martha Taft.
If you want a copy of the Will pm me with your e-mail and I'll happily send it to you.Executers are Christopher Harrison of Cubley and William Harrison of MM.William Harrison the Will maker is a blacksmith.

Their children I can see at MM Martha 1807,William and Charles 17.9.1809,Elizabeth 15.9.1811 and perhaps after William's death Job 19.1.1817 to Frances alone.
It looks like Frances remarried 26.12.1819 to John Slater and had two more children Sarah 28.2.1821 and John 14.9.1823 before she was buried 24.12.1830 age 50.
Charles is a blacksmith at MM on the 1841 so it looks as though he took over the family business.

As I said I'd go for the other one, mother Mary ,grandparents,Thomas and Mary,Great grandparents Christopher and Ann.They are all connected somehow but I just can't see how.

All I have

ps Christopher Harrsion of Cubley William's exec in the 1815 Will was born MM 16.12.1781 s of John and Elizabeth .He was also a blacksmith and mar have had an elder brother bapt at Rolleston Staffs William Hollis Harrison 9.2 1779 but that's a guess.

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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby sarahlouise_robertson » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:04 pm

Hello!
Having you reply has made my afternoon after just trying to get my head around it after an early shift at work. I am really grateful.

I'll message you my email address - as I'd love a copy of the will if possible.

I'm just going to reread your replies to fully understand!

THANK YOU!


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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby sarahlouise_robertson » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:27 pm

Hust rereading and it all makes sense until Mary? Who's Mary?

I do you think William b1809 is not the son on William and Frances?

Sorry!


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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby ciderdrinker » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:25 pm

Hello Sarah
Sorry not to get back to you sooner but I'm on a Library computer and I was at work yesterday.
Right
William Harrison was born 1809 at Martson Mongomery and went on to marry Jane Furniss, that we know.
But there were two William Harrions born in Marston Montgomery in 1809.
The other one married Jane Allcock 3.12.1835 at Marston Montgomery and was a tailor who died in 1875.
So two baptisms for the year
William son of William and Frances 17 Sep 1809 and
William son of Mary Harrison single woman 31.3.1809.

One is the parent of William Harrison the tailor and one must be yours.As on some of the censuses William the tailor's birth is down as 1810 I'd guess he is the son of William and Frances and your William is the son of Mary Harrison.

Sorry I know that's not want you want hear.But looking at the dates they died in the years 1875 on 1st March and 11th March it would fit that your William was Mary's son.
Mary had another child Johannah 18.9.1817.

But as for her parents taking another look there's three of them.
Mary d of Rupert and Mary 21.1.2.1782
Mary d of John and Elizabeth 11.9.1785
Mary d of Thomas and Mary 5.2.1786.

It looks like all three are first cousins,there fathers being brothers born Rupert 4.12.1756,John 4.2.1753 ,Thomas 6.11.1747 and all children of Christopher and Ann Harrison.

She must have married after 1817 but there are tons of Mary Harrisons getting married and none in Marston Montgomery.So it's difficult to find her marriage and subsequent death which would give her age to narrow it down.
There might be a bastardy order at the archives in Derbyshire.It's probably not the Rupert and Mary one because when Rupert dies his Admin goes to his daughter Sarah Cooper who is married by his death in 1815 but it could be either of the others.

I'm really sorry. I Know it's not what you want to hear but pretending the christening isn't there doesn't help either.

Again sorry

Cathy
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Re: Harrisons in Marston Montgomery and Uttoxeter

Postby sarahlouise_robertson » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:38 pm

Hello Cathy,

Thank you for writing that all down for me - and please don't be sorry, it is REALLY helpful - there's also no point in keeping on researching the wrong lines!
I think on my Ancestry tree I've got it in the right order now, I hope, although I am not sure on the correct parents of Mary yet, I've got her 'pencilled in' as the Daughter of John and Elizabeth.

I REALLY want to crack this!!!!

Thank you again, I really do appreciate it, wish I could help you back! ;)
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