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Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby PaulH01 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:12 pm

I'd appreciate any help on finding more details about my ancestor Robert McDonald!

All I know so far is:

- married 1904 to Lydia Hannah Crisp Bolton; lived in Shildon at that time. Father on certificate James McDonald, cabinet maker

- census 1911 (lived in Waterhouses, wife Lydia and two children) says he was born 1876, Edinburgh Resident, profession house painter

- a daughter's marriage certificate in 1930 says that he was dead by then (but of course he could just have moved away)

There are lots of Robert Mcdonalds; I have looked at FamilySearch, Scotland's Past. etc. but cannot find any with the precise combination above, and do not know where to go from here.

I was told once that either he or his father had army connections - I can find one entry for a Robert McDonald in the army, but his father's name was Robert.
There is a Robert McDonald born around that time in the 1901 Census in New Malden, he is a tailor then and has a brother with him. Looking that up I think that is another family.

Thanks
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby Amazinggrace » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:46 pm

Hi Paul, have you checked the ones on Scotlands People. There are 15 Robert McDonalds born in Edinburgh in the relevant time frame.Good luck
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby PaulH01 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:40 pm

Thanks Grace - however hard I try (1875-1877, Midlothian rather than Edinburgh - do you know if 'Edinburgh Resident' would be restricted to the city, or all of Midlothian?), I only get 10 Robert McDonald births at most, and I think I've ruled most of those out for some reason or another.

I know he arrived in Durham by 1904, before that I can only find one 1901 Census mention in New Malden, which I don't think is him either. By 1901 I expect he will have left home. Prior to 1901 there are just too many Robert McDonalds in the Censuses (Scottish or English), and none I can find with father James.

I've tried 1875 and 1877 with no luck too; the birth date of 1876 is corroborated by both the 1911 Census and his marriage certificate, but of course he may have changed it when arriving in England for work reasons, for example.

I'll keep trying!
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby Amazinggrace » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:00 pm

Hi Paul, I think Edinburgh resident would be just that.The other complication in researching now is that the boundarys changed. I was born in East Calder, Midlothian. It's now West Lothian.It can cause confusion.Hope you crack it.
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby Sylcec » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:53 pm

Another possibility may be this man, who in 1901 is Butler for a retired army officer:
Hunterston House, West Kilbride, Ayrshire, Scotland
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Gould R Hunter Weston Head Married Male 77 1824 Lt Col In The Army (Retired) D L & J P Ayrshire
Jane Weston Wife Married Female 63 1838 - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Mary C Brown Visitor Single Female 32 1869 Living On Own Means Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Robert MacDonald Servant Single Male 24 1877 Butler Domestic Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

There are others in the household, but I only copied down as far as Robert.
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby PaulH01 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:28 pm

Thanks Sylcec, this one would be pretty cool if it is him! There is an army connection at least...
Not sure I'll be able to say whether this is my ancestor definitively, but it's certainly another one to look at, and I don't have many!

Gould Hunter-Weston seems to have quite an interesting history. His household exists on earlier surveys, but Robert wasn't old enough to work for him then.
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby MayHam » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:18 am

Have you already eliminated the following?

1939 census: 8 Warwick Street , Gateshead C.B., Durham, England
Robert J McDonald, 12 Feb 1876, Male, Iron Foundry Labourer, Widowed, 28, 1
http://search.findmypast.com/record?id= ... 2F003%2F18

Deaths Jun 1940
McDonald, Robert, 64, Gateshead, 10a, 1542
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby PaulH01 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:47 am

Thanks MayHam!

I'd already noted the death record as being the only one in Durham that had about the right age, but i hadn't noticed the 1939 Register entry. I would guess the the person on both of these records is probably the same person.

The middle initial of J would help narrow it down, the only one I can find in the records, however, was born in 1875 in Scotland and moved to the U.S., and the 1920 Census record in Atlanta (can't read his profession on the document) would indicate that it's probably not him - he married a local there before 1909.
I'd also been surprised if he had changed profession from house painter (1911 Census) to iron foundry labourer (1939), but it's always possible. I'm starting to wonder now if he was killed in the war.

I already found out that his wife Lydia remarried in Durham in 1939 and lived until 1946.
Robert was supposed to be dead in 1930 (daughter's marriage certificate) but obviously this could be taken with a pinch of salt, as could his status in 1939 as 'widower' if the 1939 entry is him.
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby PaulH01 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:55 pm

Sorry to bring this up again, but still no luck for a Robert McDonald born 1876 (1875-1877) Edinburgh father James cabinet maker.

I've noticed that there is a Robert McDonald born 1877 father Angus, a joiner, which is not far from being a cabinet maker.

The only way I know it is father James is from a transcription of his 1904 Durham marriage certificate.
I suppose it is just possible that James was mistranscribed as Angus?

A bit desperate I know :-) but I can only order the original (PDF) from GRO for births and deaths. Is there a way of doing the same thing for a marriage, to see the original entry?

Thanks again!
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Re: Robert McDonald born 1876 Edinburgh

Postby ianbee » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:16 pm

Hi, Where did you find the transcription of the 1904 marriage? If it was a parish church marriage you could try and see a copy of the register. If it was in a register office then you would have to order the cert, and in all likelihood ditto for any other place of worship other than PC.

Plus, do you know where wife to be Lydia was in 1901?
And have you got the full details of the marriage of Emily to Mr Kennedy in 1930?
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