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ReWillm: Last name Feeney: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby ianbee » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:31 pm

1861 Worldwide Army Index has
Henry Feeney, reg. no. 3518, 16th Foot
He's in Shorncliffe, Kent in the 1861 census. And is Irish (age 22)

William Feeney, reg. no.629, 90th Foot
in the East Indies

Another Henry was in Colchester in the 61 census, not Irish, but from Suffolk. Rather like the man in the 36th? If indeed he was from Suffolk!
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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:23 pm

829 is in FindMyPast and was born Suffolk. He's in the WO 97 Chelsea Pensions stuff and is being discharged after just under 10 years with a hernia.

I can't read his record on the screen of my phone so can't confirm if he did get a pension. If he did, then you don't need as much service as I thought you did for a disability pension, so it becomes easier for the original topic of conversation to get a pension from service before his marriage.

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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby MayHam » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:48 am

It appears 829 was granted a pension and intended to live in South Wales.
He says he was 27 years and 11/12 months on 14 Jan 1870 born in the parish of St Helens near Ipswich, Suffolk. The only Finneys (various spellings) in Ipswich around 1842 I could find in the GRO were female.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?i ... 4%2f439269

Interestingly, though, there was a Henry Finny registered in the GRO in the Spring of 1843 in Woodbridge Union, vol. 12, page 459 to an unknown mother. He may be the same Henry Finny born in Trimley (which you mentioned earlier) living with his Uncle George Finny in Trimley St Martin, Woodbridge in 1851. Also listed are George's niece and nephews Charlotte, George, and Frederic.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?i ... 0008342149

Familysearch lists the christenings of what appears to be some of the above children.
Name: William Henry Finney
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 18 Sep 1846
Christening Place: Suffolk BTS, Suffolk, England
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1831
Mother's Name: Caroline Finney
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Q1-9FS

Name: Frederic Finney
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Aug 1846
Christening Place: Suffolk BTS, Suffolk, England
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1841
Mother's Name: Caroline Finney
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM5F-GM4

Name: Frederic Finney
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 28 Sep 1846
Christening Place: Suffolk BTS, Suffolk, England
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1842
Mother's Name: Caroline Finney
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Q1-SVX

I'm guessing the following is the same family in 1841 Trimley St Martin, Woodbridge, Suffolk, Eng.:
Elizabeth Warner, Female, 70, 1771, Suffolk, England
Caroline Warner, Female, 30, 1811, Suffolk, England
William Warner, Male, 11, 1830, Suffolk, England
George Warner, Male, 7, 1834, Suffolk, England
Charlotte Warner, Female, 5, 1836, Suffolk, England
Alfred Warner, Male, 0, 1841, Suffolk, England
George Fenney, Male, 35, 1806, Suffolk, England
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?i ... 0001961507

I'm guessing they are the same below:
FINNY, CAROLINE, 35
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in WOODBRIDGE Volume 12 Page 321
WARNER, ELIZABETH, 79
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in WOODBRIDGE Volume 12 Page 344

Name: Caroline Finney
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Feb 1813
Christening Place: NACTON,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Finney
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM1S-N7Z

Name: William Warner (perhaps this where the name William Feeney came from?)
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Finney
Event Date: 25 Apr 1813
Event Place: Trimley Saint Martin,Suffolk,England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N212-W2F

William Warner appears to be Elizabeth's second marriage.
Caroline's birth father may have been Robert Finney.
County: Suffolk
Place: Lowestoft
Church name: St Margaret
Register type: Parish Register
Baptism date: 02 Jun 1808
Birth date: 29 May 1808
Person forename: Robert Barton
Person sex: M
Person abode: Lowestoft
Father forename: Robert
Father surname: FINNEY
Mother forename: Elizabeth
Mother surname: BARTON
http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/
and
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWKQ-PPG

Name: Robert Finney
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Barton
Event Date: 12 Jul 1803
Event Place: Liddington,Rutland,England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N21B-WYC

On the other hand, there were four William Feeny, son of William Feeny (various spellings), baptisms registered in Ireland between 1840-1846. Two were Roman Catholic. One was Church of Ireland. One was unknown (1840 in Co. Monaghan). I couldn't find any William Henry Feeny.

You may be interested in the Church of Ireland listing.
Name: William Feeny
Date of Baptism: 26-Jun-1844
Address: Belfast
Parish/District: ST ANNE'S, SHANKILL
Gender: Male
County: Co. Antrim
Denomination: Church of Ireland
Father: William Feeny
Mother: Agnes Campbell
Notes: C ALLEN.
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... own&page=1

They may have married in Glasgow where she was from and he was a copper smith.
Unfortunately, I can't find any other children.
Name: William Finnie
Spouse's Name: Agnes Campbell
Event Date: 15 Dec 1833
Event Place: Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTBH-5V3
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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby pete25 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:45 am

Please don't think your Irish Ancestors weren't Irish Catholics...a big mistake if you do.
My Levingston(e)s came to the UK between the late 1820s or the early 1830s. They came from Dublin and settled in Macclesfield, Cheshire. They were nearly all Silk Weavers.
I had lots of difficulties for many years with my Irish ancestry and after posting many enquiries on various websites a lady (based in Ireland) decided, unbeknown to me, to do some research for me.
Anyway, this lady found my 3x great grandparents marriage and about 4 baptisms for their children...I was delighted as you can probably imagine.
Here was the big surprise...the marriage and baptisms took place in two Dublin Catholic Churches. This was a surprise because here in the UK not one of my Levingston(e)s practiced their Catholic Religion...they all used Church of England churches when baptizing, marrying and burying.
I would suggest you try and post as many enquiries as possible on various websites. I did and I was lucky.
Evelyn (who did my Irish research) and I are now friends via email and ancestry.co.uk

I do hope you find what you are looking for as I had many an headache finding my Irish ancestors .

Kind regards,

Pete.


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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby ianbee » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:42 am

It does seem odd that in the census returns 1871-1901 WH Feeney's place of birth is given as Ireland,
but then in 1911 he appears to have written Trimley.
In the light of MayHam's findings it could be that the man in the 36th is back in the frame again!
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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby DavidEdwardSpencer » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:47 pm

Thanks. It certainly sounds like him - not a very pleasant customer, apparently! Thomas Protheroe Junior, presumably, was related to WHF's wife, Elizabeth Protheroe; possibly her brother.
The birthplace of St Helens is puzzling.
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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby ianbee » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:10 pm

Well he was originally in the 6th Foot, as per the 1861 Worldwide Army Index. So he should be the man in barracks at Colchester in the 1861 census.
Transferred to the 36th, 1 January 1862
Army record says he has a civil conviction, presumably the railway carriage affair
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/37 ... 705046/14/
(and next page)
Discharged at Pembroke Dock, early 1870
Intended place of residence Tenby, South Wales

Wonder why he said he was born in Ireland.
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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:13 pm

DavidEdwardSpencer wrote:... The birthplace of St Helens is puzzling.

St. Helen's is a parish in or on the edge of Ipswich. http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/ipshelen.html and http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churchentry?CCC=SFK,ID=10259. Trimley is much closer to Felixstowe than Ipswich but with this variability, it's spot-on for this guy!
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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby MayHam » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:48 pm

For what it's worth, the other Irish-baptised William Feenys recorded are:

1. Name: William Feany
Date of Baptism: 01-Nov-1840
Address: Monaghan
Parish/District: Monaghan
Gender: M
County: Co. Monaghan
Denomination: [not Listed]
Father: William Feany
Mother: Mary O'Neil
Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: James O'Neil 
Sponsor 2 / Informant 2: Anne Fleming 
Notes: Priest not listed.
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... han&page=1

2. Name: William Feeny
Date of Baptism: 19-Apr-1845
Address: Ardreah
Parish/District: URLINGFORD
Gender: Male
County: Co. Kilkenny
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: William Feeny
Mother: Judith Corrigan
Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: Nicholas Cor 
Sponsor 2 / Informant 2: Mary Kerwick 
Notes: [E][MOTHER GIVEN AS JUDY AND SP2 GIVENB AS NICK]
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... nny&page=1

3. Name: William Feeny
Date of Birth: 16-May-1846
Date of Baptism: 09-Jun-1846
Address: Not Recorded
Parish/District: Ballinasloe
County: Co. Galway
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: William Feeny
Mother: Catherine Nolan
Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: William Lennon 
Sponsor 2 / Informant 2: Catherine Feeny 
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... ast&page=1

I couldn't find a Henry, son of William Feeny (various spellings).
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Re: Searching for Irish ancestor

Postby DavidEdwardSpencer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:34 am

Many thanks to everybody for their help, advice and research findings.

It seems very likely that my great grandfather was the Henry Feeney who was a private in the 36th Foot regiment; when he was discharged in early 1870, this man was living in Pembroke Dock, and intended to live in Tenby - where my great grandfather married Elizabeth Protheroe that year.

It also seems likely that he was the same Henry Feeney, labourer, who was charged later in the same year with assaulting Thomas Protheroe - which was the name of his father-in-law. Too much of a coincidence for it not to have been my ancestor? Hence, perhaps, the reason that my great grandparents moved from Pembrokeshire to Swansea by the time of the 1881 Wales census.

BUT: this Henry Feeney was born in St Helens parish, Ipswich, Suffolk. So why would he have declared himself Irish born on the census returns of 1881 (Dublin), 1891 (Belfast), and 1901 (Belfast)? And why then declare himself born in Trimley in the 1911 census?

IF he was the Henry Finney registered in Spring 1843 in Woodbridge Union to an unknown mother, could it have been to cover up the fact he was born a bastard in a workhouse?
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