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Uniform help please

Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:33 am

Hi, I was wondering if any of you lovely people could help me out with my 2x great grandfather's military uniform please. All I know about him is that his name is George Baker not sure when or where he was born. He married (no record of that!), Eliza Philips born 1851, and they lived in the Woolwich and Plumstead area. He doesn't appear on any census with Eliza though he is in the electoral roles at her address. He disappears from them after 1891. All I have are photos so his military record is my last hope of finding any info on him. Thank you
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Re: Uniform help please

Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:11 pm

Hi Barbarai

Unfortunately I cannot see the badge clearly enough on the chaps chest to guess at the regiment.I'm pretty certain though he is a rifleman in an infantry regiment from the uniform and not cavalry, someone may have a better idea for certain. My initial thoughts were possibly The Rifle Brigade, (or similar), based purely on what I can make out from the badge on his chest, the black belt etc and what is possibly a dark green uniform. This is only my opinion and a guess too. I believe the 3 stripes on his arm are to indicate the rank of sergeant. Try posting on http://www.victorianwars.com may get more info on there.

Hope there is something you may find useful.

Dan.

Re: Uniform help please

Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Thank you for your help. I will also try the link that you have suggested
Barbara

Re: Uniform help please

Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:55 pm

George Baker was still listed at 13 Cage Lane, Plumstead in the 1892 electoral register.
Eliza appears at that address as a local voter in 1893.
They are not to be found there in the 1891 census, however.
Though from 17-24 June 1891, the 12 year old son Henry Baker was in the Woolwich union workhouse - "Mother, 13 Cage Lane Plumstead" - Fm Police Court, To Police. Perhaps George was already off the scene by then, the electoral registers were not always as accurate as we would like.
I presume that there are no clues as to the age the photograph.
Do any of the children's birth certificates say that George was in the army? First child was George Baker, mother Phillips, Sep 1875 Woolwich. Then Henry Walter, then Amy.
But in 1881 Eliza Baker said she was unmarried!
Ian

Re: Uniform help please

Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:42 pm

Hi Ian. thank you for your help, I have all the birth certificates for the children, first one he's a Blacksmith and the other 2 he's a tailor, Eliza's father was a blacksmith so we always wondered wether she got confused when the registrar asked for the fathers occupation. I have Eliza and children on all census's except 1891 as the page with no. 13 cage lane seems to be missing.In 1901 she says she is a widow, and on her probate record her brother William says she is a spinster (I've never been able to find a marriage record) I have never checked the workhouse records for any of them so will be doing that now. The photographers that took the photo were in business from 1879 to 1894 so anywhere between those times is possible, but as he looks in his 30's? I'd say it was taken in the 1880's though thats purely a guess. I do know that it is definately George though as we have other photos of him and they were handed down by my great grandmother, his daughter Amy. She also said she used to visit a memorial to her father in Hyde Park, but never been able to find any mention of a memorial there either.
Barbara

Re: Uniform help please

Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:08 pm

Hi, Sorry to bother you again Ian, but I was wondering where you found Henry in the workhouse as I have not been able to find him on either site that I am susbscribed to.Thanks again
Barbara

Re: Uniform help please

Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:17 pm

Hi Barbara
He's in the Woolwich Religious Creed Register 1890-92
On ancestry,
London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1557

If you use the small search boxes on the right hand side of the page, under "Browse this collection"
and select
Borough - Greenwich
Parish or Poor Law Union - Woolwich
Record Type - Religious Creed

Just scroll down a little to "Plumstead Workhouse Creed Register, 1890-1892"
It's arranged sort of alphabetically, by first letter of surname, so you should find him OK. If not, I'll put it up if I can
Ian

Re: Uniform help please

Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:35 pm

Ah found him. Thank you

Re: Uniform help please

Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:22 am

the uniform is that of a Quartermaster Sargent in one of the light infantry ( Rifles) regiments late 1800s. The eight pointed star is the Quartermasters badge.

Re: Uniform help please

Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:31 am

Thank you
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