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O'Brien's Manchester, Ireland and Liverpool

Postby Karen196 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:40 pm

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John O'Brien and Catherine (nee Kenny) are my great great grandparents. I can't find much information on the family at all, only the 1861 and 1871 census. My great Grandfather is Francis O'Brien. I have managed to locate his birth record but none of his siblings nor his parents, or their marriage. I think John may have also been born in Ireland and it's a mistake where they have written Lancs, as I think they've copied it from the previous line.

I have searched Manchester births and the GRO for the siblings birth but I can't find anything.

I'm hoping it's something glaringly obvious I'm missing.

Hope you can help :)


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Re: O'Brien's Manchester, Ireland and Liverpool

Postby Karen196 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:42 pm

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1861 census.

Francis moved to Liverpool where he married my grandmother Charlotte Donaldson and I believe Catherine was jailed in Manchester if that information helps.


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Re: O'Brien's Manchester, Ireland and Liverpool

Postby MayHam » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:57 am

Not sure if any of the following are yours or not?

Marriages Dec 1855
Kenny Catharine  Manchester 8d 585  
O'Brian John  Manchester 8d 585  
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

O'BRIEN, JOHN, 51  
GRO Reference: 1872  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 160

O'BRIEN, CATHERINE, 49  
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 107

Similar Sounding Variations:
O BRIEN, CATHARINE    
KENNEY  
GRO Reference: 1856  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 279

O'BRYEN, JOHN    
KENNY  
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 247

O'BRIEN, ELLEN    
KENNY  
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 305

O'BRIEN, FRANCIS    
KENNY  
GRO Reference: 1862  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 227

O'BRINE, ELIZABETH    
KINNEY  
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 492

O'BRIEN, ELLEN    
KENNY  
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 437

O'BRIEN, BRIDGET    
KENNY  
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 467

O'BRIEN, JANE    
KENNY  
GRO Reference: 1871  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 274

O'BRIEN, CATHERINE    
KENNY  
GRO Reference: 1873  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 266
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester, Ireland and Liverpool

Postby sdup26 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:03 am

This looks like Francis' baptism:
Born 11/8/1862. Baptised 17/8/1862. St Joseph, Ancoats, Manchester.
Franciscus O'Brien, filius Johannis O'Brien & Catherinae (formerly Kenny). Godparents Johannes Tyman & Anna Keegan
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester, Ireland and Liverpool

Postby sdup26 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:22 am

It's true that a Catherine O'Brien, aged 39, hawker, was given a year's hard labour in 1872 at the Court in Salford. She stole two cloth jackets from a man in Oldham, plus another jacket from another man, also in Oldham, and had a previous conviction. But there are other Catherine O'Briens in the crime records, so without more identification, I wouldn't assume she's yours.
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester, Ireland and Liverpool

Postby sdup26 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:09 pm

You'll have noticed there's an Elizabeth O'Brien, widow aged 40, born in Westmeath, Ireland, living in Foundry Street, a couple of doors away from your O'Briens in 1871. Incoming families did tend to live fairly close if they could, so have you researched her at all?
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester, Ireland and Liverpool

Postby Karen196 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:55 pm

That's brilliant everyone, thanks so much for your help.

Yes it is common for them to live close as I've found in other branches of my tree, so will deinstalled check that out.

A family story was that she stole bacon but it could well be her. I will check it all out.

Thanks again :)


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