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Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:14 pm

I've been researching a long time. I am limited to online resources and things I can find at Library Archives (in Ottawa, Ontario).

There's one family secret I have I only 1/2 figured out because I hit road blocks and can't always afford to use other means of verification.

Eliza Neal "Collins" born Feb 1834 to George Neal and Mary Bavage (1st marr) in Holybourne Hampshire.

She gave birth to two children:

Frederick Clark (born about 1860-1861)
Isabella Annie Eliza Clark (born about 1865)

Their father as listed in 1871 Census and Isabella's marriage certificate is John Horne Clark (auctioneer) and from what I tell a fairly prominent family before him.

When initial researching started I found Eliza and John's marriage certificate dated Oct 1869, after the birth of the children.

1871 Census indicated the family living together and John died in 1880. No 1861 Census found for Eliza and the children.

1841, 1851, 1861 Census had John living with another family, wife Susanna Clarke.
Susanna dies in 1868 and John remarries the following year.

It's definitely the same guy because the occupation and father's name matches.

I've never been able to find birth certificates for Frederick and Isabella until today. Random thing came up in Ancestry.

Isabella Ann Eliza, Jan 15, 1865 in Holybourne, Hampshire to "Harry" John and Eliza


Coincidence? Eliza was born in Holybourne, Ann vs Annie, "Harry" John? I tried finding a Frederick but with no luck, considering he had a son Frederick with Susanna as well.

Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Would be appreciated.
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Re: Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:47 pm

I went and checked because I ordered the death certificate for Isabella and yes 1864 was the death. Thank you for filling in the blanks. I am still learning a lot in finding information so thank you.
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Re: Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:49 pm

JMcKinnon wrote:1939 register gives Isabella Annie Eliza dob as 16 May 1864.
Dorothy is with her.

Looks like Isabella in prison at 1901 census and possibly 1911 too although details of birth and children don't match.


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Isabella was in and out Holloway for years. That's where Dorothy was born. Her husband disappeared off the radar in 1893 and there is no sign that I can find of his death. That's why I assume there is no listed father for Dorothy.
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Re: Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:26 am

Here's something I've been thinking about.

In the 1891 Census.

James Deering
Isabella
John W
Kathleen
Eliza Clark
May Clark (Niece)

Lived in Fulham.

The only person the niece could be is the daughter of Frederick. Given her birth information, 1880 South Kensington, I found Emily May Clark with that birth information. Now that I'm using the GRO properly. Mother's maiden name is King. She was how I was trying to trace Frederick in the first place.
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Re: Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:27 pm

I have access to the probate through Ancestry. He left Eliza the executor and under $2000 in personal estate. Which I would have thought was the house 4 Salem.
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Re: Clark Family

Postby ksouthall » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:11 pm

kdeering75 wrote:I have access to the probate through Ancestry. He left Eliza the executor and under $2000 in personal estate. Which I would have thought was the house 4 Salem.


The Probate Calendar is on Ancestry and it names John Horn Clark's executrix as his widow. However, you could order a copy of the will at https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar to find out whether John Horn Clark names his children and any other family members. You can obtain a surprising amount of details from wills so it could provide the breakthrough you are looking for.
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Re: Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:07 pm

$30 CDN dollars later and I ordered two.

John Horne Clark and John Ronaldson (husband of Dorothy Deering). Maybe might find some relatives' names.
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Re: Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:22 am

I'm so confused now that I got the Will of John Horne Clarke lol.

Eliza is mentioned. Isabella is mentioned as "illegitimate" daughter. No mention of Frederick. And weirdly a mention of to my what looks like "hoo" illegitimate sons, John Neal and James Neal, the children of my dear wife before marriage....

Blown away...any thoughts?
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Re: Clark Family

Postby Mick Loney » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:47 am

Or even TWO illegitimate sons...


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Re: Clark Family

Postby kdeering75 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:37 pm

JMcKinnon wrote:Could it be HER illegitimate sons John & James Neal?

I wonder where they were in 1861? They cannot have been 10 years old can they if Eliza born approx 1834


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Well that was what I was thinking but honestly, the name is common and without access to Birth Records (and in Canada it gets expensive). To be honest I've never Eliza in the 1851-61 Census.

I found potentially her death, which could be a shot in the dark, I learned that sometimes you learn nothing as I did with John Ronaldson's will.

I was thinking her death was 5 Oct 1892 • Middlesex, England. The reason why is that she had Mary Ann Collins was listed, as Collins was her mother's second marriage surname but nothing to confirm as I have no confirmation of actual death. After the 1891 and Isabella went into the Workhouse and I never found what happened to Eliza.

She's a mystery.
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