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Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby bookworm » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:56 pm

Can anyone please help? I am looking for William Humphrey (b Prickwillow, Cambs 1846) and his wife Margaret (b Richmond, Yorks 1844) in the 1881 census. They had three children - Margaret 1874, William 1875-76 and Elizabeth 1877 - but in 1881 the children are all staying with members of William's family. The parents are nowhere to be seen, in fact I have no further sightings of Margaret at all after the children's joint baptism in 1878. I do have William from 1891 onwards. They may have been just about anywhere as they have connections to Co Durham, N Yorks, Lancs, Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambs. This is part of a brick wall I have been chipping away at since 1998 so any help would be very much appreciated.

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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby cergenealogy » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:34 pm

Hi, Joanne

I've just done a quick look at the GRO deaths for 1878 - 1882. Have you discounted this one?
HUMPHREY, MARGARET 47
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 08E Page 113

Although the age appears to be 10 years out it could be an error; Haslingden is in Lancs, one of the areas you mentioned.

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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby sdup26 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:56 pm

If Margaret continues to be elusive, it may be worth considering postnatal depression. She had Elizabeth in 1877, the baptisms in 1878, and then can't be found in 1881. If she was ill after the birth, and eventually had to be admitted to a hospital or similar institution, patients in the census were usually listed under their initials only. It could also explain William's absence from the same census. He may have missed being enumerated, having the care of 3 children to sort out.
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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby bookworm » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:43 pm

Thank you both for your replies. I had looked at the Haslingden death and also considered the fact that that Margaret was 10 years too old to be my ancestor. I haven't ordered that certificate to check yet.

I had also considered postnatal depression I thought about the fact that she may be listed in an institution using initials only. I've done several census searches just using her place of birth as a keyword since she's always been consistent that that was Gilling or Richmond but, either way, I haven't had any success so far.

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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby MayHam » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:14 pm

1. It might be worth mentioning William Humphrey with a Thos Carter, servants of Joseph Cave, in Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire, England in 1881. Don't know if Thos might be related to Margaret?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Z-5WP3

This same William Humphery (sic) appears to have recently married the widow Susan Halsey before 1881.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Z-5HPD

2. Was Margaret's maiden name Carter?
Name: William Humphrey
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1873
Registration District: Guisborough
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
Volume: 9D
Page: 1017
Line Number: 260
William Humphrey probably married one of the following people
Name: Margaret Carter
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DG9-848

3. Their daughters, which the 1881 census agrees with their birth counties. I can't find William, Jr.
HUMPHREY, MARGARET    
CARTER  
GRO Reference: 1874  S Quarter in GUISBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 501

HUMPHREY, ELIZABETH    
CARTER  
GRO Reference: 1877  D Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 678  Occasional Copy: A

4. The childrens' baptism courtesy of FamilySearch.org
Margaret Humphrey
christening: 16 June 1878, Peterborough, Northampton, England
residence: Peterborough, Northampton, England
father: William Humphrey
mother: Margaret

William Humphrey
christening: 16 June 1878, Peterborough, Northampton, England
residence: Peterborough, Northampton, England
father: William Humphrey
mother: Margaret

Elizabeth Humphrey
christening: 16 June 1878, Peterborough, Northampton, England
father: William Humphrey
mother: Margaret

5. The children in the 1881 census.
Margaret and William with their paternal aunt, Mary Warren, in Brandon, Thetford, Norfolk, England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-F17P

Elizabeth with her Uncle John Humphreys in Santon, Thetford, Norfolk, England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-FBCB

6. There was a Margaret Carter registered in Richmond in 1844.
CARTER, MARGARET    
GREIVES  
GRO Reference: 1844  S Quarter in RICHMOND UNION YORKSHIRE  Volume 24  Page 494

7. William Sr.'s baptism says his mother's last name was Reader but the GRO says Crane.
Name: William Humphreys
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Sep 1846
Christening Place: Trinity, Ely, Cambridge, England
Father's Name: Thomas Humphreys
Mother's Name: Mary Reader
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSZ5-BMZ

HUMPHREYS, WILLIAM    
CRANE  
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in ELY UNION  Volume 14  Page 60

Hope this helps.
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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby sdup26 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:18 am

The Humphrey children were baptised in Northampton, then Margaret 'disappears.' So in light of our previous discussion on postnatal illness (which can include psychosis in the severe form) maybe this is worth considering?
1881 census, County Asylum, Upton, Northamptonshire
MH, b 1843, inmate, married, place of birth not given
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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby ianbee » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:28 pm

The abode given on those baptisms in 1878 appears to be "The Union Peterborough"
Assuming that means they were in the workhouse, it might be worth seeing what records survive
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Peterborough/
Unfortunately there are no poor law records online in ancestry's Northamptonshire collections at the moment.
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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby ianbee » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:40 pm

sdup26 wrote:maybe this is worth considering?
1881 census, County Asylum, Upton, Northamptonshire
MH, b 1843, inmate, married, place of birth not given

Thats Berrywood Asylum (later St Crispin's)
UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912 (on ancestry)
Humphrey Margt.
female
admitted to Berrywood 19 June 1878
date of discharge or death - ??

That admission to Berrywood is three days after the baptisms.
Looks like sdup has cracked it for 1881, but the patients register doesn't seem to indicate that she died there.
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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:28 pm

In 1891, William is living with Elizabeth Richardson, described as his niece, and housekeeper. Do you know if they were related, or was it just for the census, for 'respectability' purposes? Elizabeth's children, John William, Georgina, and Albert Henry, have no mother's maiden name listed on their birth registrations. Not a moral judgement - I'm just trying to work out when/where Margaret was either discharged from hospital, or died. If William had a relationship with Georgina around 1891, but couldn't marry her, it would suggest Margaret was still alive then.
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Re: Help needed with missing Humphrey ancestors

Postby ianbee » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:28 pm

That date I couldn't read - I think it might say 1 Jly 07
It could relate to a transfer.
Because on 1 July 1907 a Margt Humphrey was admitted to Kesteven Asylum (which was in Quarrington in Lincolnshire)
Died 9 Nov 1921

The registration district for that asylum was Sleaford
Death
Dec 1921 Sleaford 7a 492
Humphrey, Margaret
age 78

In the 1911 census she must be M Humphrey, born Gilling
(some of the other details may not be correct)
So she should have still been in Berrywood in 1891 and 1901
Kesteven was later known as Rauceby Hospital.
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