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Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby brimo » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:53 pm

Hi Everyone

This is my first post. I need help as I seem to have hit a bit of a brick wall partly because of a name change in my family. My paternal grandfather was Henry Cross, b. 7-1-1875 d. 30-9-1947. All are born in Liverpool unless stated.

His parents were William Cross/Stowbridge (my great grandfather)b.1844-1850??? d. 1928 and Margaret Cross nee Thomas b.1847. d. 1824 They had 9 children Dacre Stowbridge 1869-1882; William Cross Stowbridge 1872-1925; Henry Cross my Grandad (see above); Margaret Stowbridge 1875; Sarah Stowbridge 1878-1878; Hannah Cross Stowbridge 1879-1955; John Stowbridge 1884-1946; Maurice Cross Stowbridge; 1885-; Joseph S Cross 1886-1899

You will notice that during the 1800's some of them chose to be called Cross whilst others flitted from one name and the other, maybe to dodge the rent man I feel :-)

I feel this came about the previous generation. I do know that Thomas Cross my 2nd grandfather was born in in Liverpool in 1823. He had married Margaret Stowbridge on 19th April 1845. I have no birth details at all for William Cross Stowbridge. In the 1851 census Margaret Cross was shown as the head of the household and William is shown as being 7 years old. So that makes him born in 1844 before Margaret married Thomas Cross in 1845. She is also shown as a widow on that census so Thomas Cross must have died.

I have just tracked a Thomas Cross death in 1849 in July-Aug-Sept quarter Liverpool Vol 20 Page 279 and I will order this after Christmas.

So I presume that Thomas died before 1851 and Margaret struggled along with some of her children in later life choosing to go back to the Cross name and others choosing Stowbridge whilst others chose to use both at times.

Are my theories correct? Was my William Cross Stowbridge my great grandfather born illegimate or was he simply born before Thomas and Margaret got married? So many questions?

I would appreciate it if any of you could advise me of the best way to resolve this?

Merry Christmas..... Brian Cross
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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby pete25 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:42 pm

Hi Brian,

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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby sdup26 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:00 pm

In 1851, Margaret Cross (nee Stowbridge) lives with daughters Harriet, Hannah 1847, Margaret 1850, and son William 1844. Ages on censuses are often a year or two out either way, so it might be worth risking a tenner on the birth of William Cross Dec Q 1845, Liverpool, 20 438.

There's a Liverpool burial record for a Thomas Cross, who died of cholera August 1849, aged 34 (born about 1815). Was he William's father? If so, and if a Liverpool birth entry for a Margaret Cross in Dec 1849 is for William's sister, she was born a few weeks after her father died. However, if Thomas married Margaret in 1845, it looks as if Harriet (shown as b1837 in 1851) was illegitimate.
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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby brimo » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:35 pm

Hi Sdup26

Many thanks for your speedy reply. You have come across information that I didn't find apart from the 1851 census which I had. Thanks for that, much appreciated.

I will order the William Cross birth cert for a start.

Where did you find the burial record from if I may ask?

By the way I also noticed that Harriet was illegitimate too and I cannot find any further record of her.

More soon :-)
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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby brimo » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:48 pm

Hi Again

I am ordering the death cert as well but wonder how you found out he died of cholera as I can only see the death date and index details?
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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby pete25 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:51 pm

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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby pete25 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:53 pm

I can see 'Cholera'


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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby brimo » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:55 pm

Wow, thanks Pete !! I'll order that cert asap. I'm sure that's him :-)
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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby brimo » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:01 pm

MMMmmm the Thomas Cross I was looking for was born in about 1823 so maybe this guy isn't my guy as it states he was 34 when he died in 1849 ??
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Re: Cross/Stowbridge name change

Postby pete25 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:05 pm

You're new to all this Brian...don't be thrown by dates and ages etc.

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