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Another pair of eyes please

Postby Dene Fisher » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:48 pm

Can anybody help decipher the attached please?
I read the age of Richard on the first line as 84 but this has been transcribed as 54 his birth being stated as abt 1797
The second person (Mary Crowshaw) has been transcribed as Richards daughter but there is something before the daug bit - any ideas? (if both transcribed ages are correct then Mary is one year younger than her father)
Any help with this would be very gratefully received
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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby AdrianB38 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:32 pm

Is it Step Daughter? (The "S", if that's what it is, looks a bit like that for "Smithy")

But beware - some of these uses are not as we expect - a Step-daughter then might be what we call a Daughter-in-law now - although the warning is usually the other way round, i.e. Daughter-in-Law then is Step-Daughter today.

I'm sure if you search long enough, you'll find out which it is....

PS I didn't put a smiley in the above! It's " followed by ). Grrr
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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby Sylcec » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:46 pm

he is definitely 84!
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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby 1888 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:22 am

Yes 84



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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby sdup26 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:03 am

Yes, 84, so born about 1767. If the transcriber got his age wrong, his stated birth year would also be wrong at 1797. And I agree, 'step-daughter' for Mary - daughter-in-law, as explained by AdrianB38.
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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby ianbee » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:28 am

Possible birth registration of the youngest daughter
March 1839 Bolton vol 21 page 171
Crowshaw, Martha
mother's maiden surname Entwistle

Mary Crowshaw and her children were with Richard Entwistle in Bolton in the 1841 census.
Possible marriage?
1 January 1821 St Peter, Bolton
John Crowshaw + Mary Entwisle

Perhaps it says His Daur for relationship in 1851?
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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby AdrianB38 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:56 am

You could well be right with "His Daur". It's just that the "S" elsewhere is quite straight, hence my suggestion. I've never seen "His Daur" before so never considered it - maybe it's to distinguish from "Her Daughters" - but they're described as Granddaughters, so that's odd.

I think I'd run with the evidence of an ordinary daughter, rather than a dodgy bit of writing under a blot.

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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby Dene Fisher » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:08 pm

Thanks for everyone's help as always

I'd found some of the above info since I posted the original question and everything seems to be pointing to 'His Daug'

Thanks again

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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby 2012girl » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:53 pm

Could it be 'Head or Head's daughter', rather than 'His' daughter? I've seen that written before so perhaps just the enumerators way of describing it, he's made some abbreviations when recording some of the other relationships too. The image is a little darker on FMP, but still not very clear.

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Re: Another pair of eyes please

Postby MichaelSS » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:25 pm

It looks like "Head Daur" for Mary at 33 years of age while the age for Richard could be 64 or 84. I don't think it is 54.

There were times when the term "Head Daughter" was used to describe the eldest daughter or daughter - in - law. A female that took the place of the wife in running the household after the wife had passed.

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