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Probate question please,

Postby DesparateAnge » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:12 pm

Hi all,
I've discovered in the National Probate Calendar the following: 'Maria X of xxx Widow, dies 12 Aug Probate London 1 Sept to William XX Salesman. Effects £525 10s 6p' . Now, £525 was quite an amount of money in those days (1914) spending power equal to about £52,000. This lady was from VERY humble background, and I've never heard of William XX ! Is there any way I can find out more regarding this please? Thanks,

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Re: Probate question please,

Postby AdrianB38 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:13 pm

Sending for the will would seem a sensible first step.... See https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Bear in mind that at that date, the value of the estate would include any property that she owned.
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Re: Probate question please,

Postby DesparateAnge » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:33 pm

Well thanks very much Adrian, never knew this link existed!
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Re: Probate question please,

Postby Mick Loney » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:04 pm

Before ordering a will, check the probate index, it will tell you whether a will was issued or not. I believe that if it says 'admon', then there was no will, just letters of administration, which effectively permit the distribution of the estate. When I ordered a 'will' for my greatgrandparents I wasn't aware of this, and all I got for my money was basically the same information that was in the index.

The will ordering website now explains the difference between a 'Will' and 'Admon', so do check the index entry carefully, before ordering!


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Re: Probate question please,

Postby Sylcec » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:42 pm

Mick - DesperateAnge has already quoted the details which say Probate granted London etc, so we know there was a will.

It's a good idea to do as much background reading as possible about administration of estates - there is not just a simple division into Probate or Letters of Administration - sometimes the latter are granted "with will attached" in cases where the will is invalid for a variety of reasons or where has been a prior incomplete administration of estate due to death of or relinquishment by executor.
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Re: Probate question please,

Postby DesparateAnge » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:44 pm

Thanks very much Mick, appreciated. How do I check the probate index please? This is new to me, thanks.

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Re: Probate question please,

Postby AdrianB38 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:07 pm

Probate Index is the Probate Calendar, unless I'm missing something. Just another name...

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Re: Probate question please,

Postby ianbee » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:13 pm

Probate Calendar 1914
Dutfield, Maria Matthews
of 5 Hammond-road Southall Middlesex widow
died 12 August 1914
Probate London 1 September to William Pocock van salesman
Effects £525 10s. 6d.
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Probate question please,

Postby brunes08 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:28 pm

Obviously, I do not know how much research you have done regarding Maria so my quick rummage may not be anything new. I found Maria on the 1911 census - a widow - living with 3 of her unmarried children. However, according to that census she has another 3 children no longer living at home (she'd given birth to 7 but one had died). I wondered if William Pocock could be a relative, perhaps a son-in-law or even a brother-in-law. I couldn't find anything conclusive for him on the census though to help.
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Re: Probate question please,

Postby Mick Loney » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:55 am

Sylsec,
My mistake, teach me to read post properly. Sorry if I confused anyone with the term Index, as has already been pointed out, I did mean the probate calendar! :)


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