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William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ltough80 » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:52 pm

Hello,

I am seeking further information on the above gentleman, who lists himself as a Commercial Traveller, married to Kathleen Stanley (born 1873 in Guildford, Surrey) in the 1911 Census. I have been able to find any further records of William Henry in prior census returns and am also struggling to find birth records for either William or his wife Kathleen (nee Jones).

Any help on the above would be much appreciated!
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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby sdup26 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:43 pm

William Henry and Kathleen are very elusive! William seems to be absent In 1901, while Kathleen is listed as 'wife of Wm Hy Stanley' and adds that he's a publican's manager. Apart from that, and the 1911 census where they both appear with two children, I can't find them anywhere. Kathleen says in 1911 that she was born in Guildford, and there's a birth entry for a Kate Jones, SQ 1874, Guildford 2a 73, which might be worth a punt. As you know that Kathleen's maiden name was Jones, presumably you have birth certificates for Beatrice and William Norman? There's a big age difference between William and Kathleen - have you found any previous marriage for him?
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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ltough80 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:02 pm

Hello,

Thanks for the response!

I have William Norman's certificate and have confirmed from another source that Jones is listed as Kathleen's surname on Beatrice's certificate too.

I did order the certificate for Kate Jones in Guildford 1874 (arrived yesterday), that lists Henry and Martha (nee Toffield) as parents however I can't find much on this family either from a quick search. Henry was a Manager at a Bootmakers, living on Wakenfield road. Planning to give another try tonight.

My best guess is Kate Jones in Spalding, Lincolnshire, who appears to be the daughter of Emily Jones. She appears in the 1881 census with her grandparents and then 1891 with her mother - this time going by the name Stanley. I am wondering if this could potentially be a link to William Henry somewhere? Emily came to London for a time and both she and her husband came to London in the 1880's. I can't find a birth record for this Kate anywhere though!

With William Henry, there is a person born in 1856 in Greenwich, living with his grandparents in 1861. This is the best option I have so far but not convinced!

Thanks for the help
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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ciderdrinker » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:15 pm

Hi there
there is what looks to be a younger sister for Kate with the family on the 1891 census
Mary Annette Tirrell Stanley registered at Kins Norton Worc June 1883 mother's maiden name Jones.
She is mentioned in what is supposedly her father's Will Reginald Stanley died 18.7.1914 Milby Lodge Bexhill proven at London under her married name of Broadbent .
Reginald is born 1838 at Hayle and in 1881 is married to a Maria Octavia born 1845 in Canada who dies 10.12.1898 Manor Court Nuneaton.They seem to have married in Quebec in1867 but are in Leicestershire by 1871 so it's possible Emily was in service with them and she got pregnant.
It looks like Reginald had no children with his wife.Yet Mary Annette magically appears as his daughter in 1901.

I'll have a dig and see what else I can find

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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ciderdrinker » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:30 pm

This is weird
I've just found Emily Jones's age 30 marriage to Edward Stanley 34 of Birmingham at 12.1.1880 Spalding
parents George Jones boot maker and Henry Edward Stanley commercial traveler.
wit George Jones Sarah Stanley and Mary K Stanley.

Only other daughter Kate born 1851 married Thomas Roger Gregory 15.4.1875 at Spalding,so it has to be Emily who is their mother.

What's going on? More confused than before.Sorry.

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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ltough80 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:32 pm

Thanks for the response! I am getting more confused as time goes on as well.

Edward Stanley died in London in 1886, having been admitted to Bethlem the year previously. His wife Emily died shortly afterwards in 1891 I believe having returned to Spalding, Lincolnshire. I wonder if the younger daughter was adopted by Reginald? Thanks for this, I had been unable to trace the younger sibling so far!

I also can't find the birth of Kathleen Jones in 1873 in Guildford (or any plausible alternatives since eliminating Kate Jones 1874).

William Henry Stanley - I can't find anything to support his birth in Woolwich in 1851 aside from the 1911 census and am also struggling to find him before the 1911 census in the UK.
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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ltough80 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:40 pm

Forgot to add, on the grave record I have found for Edward Stanley Snr, it lists a son Edward who died in Mendoza, South America in 1912 (only son of Edward Stanley).
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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby sdup26 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:32 pm

You probably know that a search for William Henry Stanley has been made on rootschat. A post says he disappeared from his wife and family in 1889. His wife never remarried, but claimed to be a widow, before taking another man's surname, and his daughter's marriage certificate gave the impression he was still alive, saying that he was a commercial traveller. Could be your man, as there doesn't seem to be a marriage for William Henry and Kathleen.

In the 1891 Guildford census, a Kate Jones b1871 is living with her mother Mary Edgington b1846, and stepfather James Edgington b1845, all three born in Guildford.
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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ltough80 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:58 pm

Yes, I saw that - although am struggling to find the family it refers to ( the family he was with till 1889).

It would make sense that this is the William Henry I am searching for, as he certainly did not marry Kate/Kathleen, which led me to believe he had another family somewhere.

All help much appreciated - am determined to solve this!
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Re: William Henry Stanley - 1851 Woolwich, Kent

Postby ciderdrinker » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:23 pm

Hello
Just in case your struggling to work out the Stanley family on Emily Jones side.

Edward Stanley born 1842 Stourport son of Henry Edward Stanley who married Rebecca Tindl /Tirrell
who was born 7.2.1810 in Stourport son of Jacob and Sarah Stanley a Weslyian minister.
Henry Edward's older brother Jacob was born in Sevonoaks 2.11.1803 and went on to have Reginald in 1839 at Hayle Cornwall.

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