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1891 Census

Postby Gen10ck@2502 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:13 am

Hello

I am trying to find out where Thomas Gray was born in Scotland in the 1891 census but cannot read the enumerators writing. In the 1881 census it just says Scotland. He is shown in the 1891 census in Sunderland, Monkwearmouth, Co. Durham ,age I think 40 , as a coal miner, widower. His wife died in 1890. Can anyone shed some light. Thank you
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Re: 1891 Census

Postby ciderdrinker » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:10 pm

Hello
Are you sure you've posted the right details?
I've had a look and only Thomas Gray in Monkwearmouth is age 36 on the 1891 census a barman single from just Scotland.
No sign of him otherwise.
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Re: 1891 Census

Postby Gen10ck@2502 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:55 pm

Hello

Yes it is the right info. This is the ref: RG12 12/4147/F? Address 34 Chilton Street, Monkwearmouth, Sunderland. On some sites it has been transcribed as Guy and Grey . Children: William,Harry,Elizabeth, Mary and Isabella. Thank you.
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Re: 1891 Census

Postby jimbo50 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:02 pm

Sorry but I don't know what is meant by 'Grinawas'. My usual method of trying Google search with different substitute letters didn't work. Possibly Green something, or Glen Aros on the Isle of Mull. Have you found him in 1901 ? Jim
It's not listed here but have a look on http://www.gaelicplacenames.org/database.php
When asked by the enumerator, some people may have remembered their placename in Gaelic
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Re: 1891 Census

Postby sdup26 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:28 pm

Like Jim, I've had trouble with Thomas's place of birth. The 1891 census entry looks like Grmawas, transcribed on FMP as Gemawas - either way, I can't find it on www.genuki.org nor anywhere else.
I can't find Thomas in 1881; does it definitely say he was born in Scotland?
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Re: 1891 Census

Postby Gen10ck@2502 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:05 pm

Hello

Thank you for your efforts. I had not been able to find him in 1901 but having looked at another site it's possible that a Thomas Gray has remarried to an Isabella. He was born in Berwick. The youngest daughter on the 1901 census is the right age and born in the right area, so will have to do a bit more digging to see what I can find.

Thank you again
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Re: 1891 Census

Postby Gen10ck@2502 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:33 pm

Hello again

Have found Thomas in the 1911 census in Stobart Street Sunderland. Piece No 30213. Again I can't make out where he was born but it looks the same as in the 1891 census. Can anyone decifer?

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1891 Census

Postby coopernicola » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:15 am

On that 1911 census under place of birth it seems to read 'Noram Parish' before 'Grinwas'.
If you Google search "Norham Parish" comes up. It's in Berwick, a border town, which may account for Thomas' birthplace also stating Scotland.
The 1901 census you found with Thomas born 'Berwick' is the same address too:15 Stobart St.
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Re: 1891 Census

Postby Gen10ck@2502 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:04 am

Hello

Thank you again , hopefully I will be able to find his birth cert now which will give me some more info.

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Re: 1891 Census

Postby Gen10ck@2502 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:00 am

Hello

Thought you might like an update. Have found Thomas's father, William in the 1861 census.
By 1871 William's wife Elizabeth is dead so I looked for her death and came across a listing of gravestones in a parish church . His wife died in Shorewood Colliery in 1870 but also on the headstone is their son John age 7 who died in 1854 at Greenlawalls. I have since discovered that it is near Duddo. There is also a mine by that name and as William was a miner I suspect that he may have worked there.

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