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William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby MoVidger » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:37 pm

I'm helping a friend with her family tree. We're struggling with William Arnold, her 3 x great-grandfather. According to census records, he was born c1819 in Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire.

On 4 January 1841, William married Sarah Harburn (Arbon) in Offord Cluny, Hunts. William's father is listed as Thomas Nott. These details are from a non-image record on Ancestry.

Question: will ordering the 1841 marriage certificate from the GRO confirm the same father?
Adding to the confusion are a couple of Ancestry family trees, which list William's parents as James Arnold and Mary Warrington. :?

We're unable to locate William and wife Sarah in the 1841 census. We do know his occupation was "shepherd" in the Cambs/Hunts area from 1851 to 1871, then "ag lab" in 1881. (We've no idea when he died or where).

We've searched FMP, Ancestry, Genuki, FamilySearch in case the actual 1841 marriage record is online, but no luck yet.

Update: on FreeReg there is an 1811 Gamlingay baptism for a William Arnold (base born). Mother is Susanna Arnold. This looks interesting, but the age is off by about 8 years.

Note: There is another William Arnold (b 1819) from Gamlingay. Parents: Samuel and Ann. In 1841, he is married to a woman named Rebecca. Apparently this William Arnold died in 1886.

Many thanks for any assistance, suggestions, or advice. If it turns out the 1841 certificate needs to be ordered, then so be it.
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Re: William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby MayHam » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:52 pm

Someone called deon27 appears to have found their marriage record in the Offord Cluny Parish Registers: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SRHZ-1RL

You can order a copy of the LDS microfilm here: https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/p ... m/1040743/

William & Sarah Arnold are found in the 1841 census here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77L-2RY
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Re: William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby MoVidger » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:36 pm

Thanks MayHam for the links. My friend will probably order the 1841 GRO certificate anyway. Hopefully, it will mention the occupation of William's father (Thomas Nott?), which the Offord Cluny parish record might not indicate. (It's interesting that William does not share his father's name, unless he was raised by a step-father named Arnold ??).
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Re: William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby MoVidger » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:30 pm

Following the arrival of the 1841 marriage certificate, here is a brief update:

William Arnold's father is listed as "Thos Nott/Mott" followed by the note: "reported father". His occupation is given as "Labourer". No sign of this chap in the 1841 or 1851 census records for Huntingdonshire or Cambridgeshire, unless we've missed him.

That 1811 baptism for a 'base born' William Arnold in Gamlingay still looks interesting. Mother's name is Susannah Arnold. However the age is way off. William is consistent with his birth year being c1819 in the 1841 to 1881 census records he appears in.

So unless the 1811 entry is a typo, and the birth year is actually 1818/1819, then we can see no other suitable birth for William Arnold. (Also, there is a baptism record for a Susannah Arnold born 1803 in Gamlingay). If this lady is William's mother, then it makes the 1811 baptism for him more unlikely.

So we continue our search for William's birth in Gamlingay c1819, and his probable parents...
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Re: William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby ianbee » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:30 pm

Hi Mo
It's possible perhaps that Susanna Arnold, mother of the illegitmate William bap 1811 Gamlingay, is the Susan Arnold who married Luke Thompson in that parish, 20 June 1816.
Likely that Luke and Susan are in Cambridge St Giles in 1841, and she is still there, widowed, 1851-1871.

No idea whether William 1811 is yours, there is the age problem. I agree that him being illegitimate and baptized in Gamilngay makes him a candidate.

If you fancy registering with the Family Search website
https://familysearch.org/register/1
you can see Cambridgeshire BTs for free. They are accessed via a catalogue search for the place you want, i.e. Gamlingay - then click on Church records, select Bishop's transcripts. If there is a camera icon under "Format", you can see images from digitized microfilms. Have to find what you want by trial and error, using the image number box.
Anyway, the 1816 marriage (on microfilm 2147100) is here (image 35)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=828703

1811 baptism (microfilm 2147099) is here (image 746)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=828703
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Re: William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby MoVidger » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:48 pm

Hi Ian, thanks for the links and information. Yes, I am registered with Family Search. So I will definitely be checking out the records you mentioned. (Over the past couple of years, I've noticed that there can be additional records on FS, if one searches the website as a registered user).

I've also searched the newspaper sets on FMP for any mention of William Arnold. According to census records and his marriage certificate, William was a shepherd. I believe he was an alpaca shepherd during his residence in Offord Darcy. (The other William Arnold, born in Gamlingay in 1819, was a publican).

Tomorrow I will tackle the FS records you mention, and continue the search for a Thomas Nott/Mott with any connections to Gamlingay. I reckon he will have a birth year prior to 1800.
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William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby Mick Loney » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:49 pm

MoVidger,
As ian says, Image of William's Christening IS on-line at Family search! Go to Gamlingay church records and Go to image 746 of the bishops transcripts, et voila, there he is,halfway down page.


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Re: William Arnold - 1841 marriage

Postby MoVidger » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:12 pm

Today has been busier than expected, but I've finally had the opportunity to check out the Family Search records Ian kindly found. Also I've found Susan and Luke Thompson in the 1841 census. Ancestry has transcribed the surname as "Thonpson". And yes, they are residing in St Giles.

I do like the 1811 baptism for William Arnold (base born), but it is approximately 8 years off the age he gives in the 1841 to 1881 census records. And the FreeBMD 1886 death entry for William Arnold (district St Neot's) gives an age of 65. So that puts his birth year as c1821.

As my friend and I ponder the 1811 baptism, we will continue with our search for the Thomas Nott/Mott character. William's marriage certificate contains rather illegible writing, particularly for Thomas's surname. Using a magnifying glass, the surname does appear to consist of 4 letters and begins with either an "N" or "M' followed by "ott". One of the witnesses has a name beginning with "M" and it resembles the first letter of Thomas' surname. Then there's always the possibility the surname could've been misspelled and it's actually "Knott"...??
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