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South Wales Borderers

Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:52 pm

Can anyone help me please??? Im trying to trace my grandfathers service record and learn a little bit more about him, my father has died not telling me a great a lot about his father so I'm keen to find out more.
My grandfather was called Edwin Sydney Thomas Williams born October 1912 died 1966 ( ruffly) the museum is breacon did manage to confirm he may have serviced in WW2. Other than a place of birth which is Newport South Wales or Monmouthshire as it was known then and that he serviced in the SWB I dont know a great amount about my greatfather. Please can anyone help????

Re: South Wales Borderers

Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:11 pm

His service records will still be held by the Ministry of Defence (all post-1920-ish records are still with the MoD)

See https://www.gov.uk/guidance/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

It will take some months to get the records but they will give you the full story, and are the only people who an do that. But please note that ...

1. You need to supply a death certificate;
2. Things tend to be easier if you are the next-of-kin or have the permission of the next-of-kin because some stuff is withheld until 25y after the serviceman's death unless you are, or have the permission of, the next-of-kin.

Your first task then, is to get that death certificate - without it, the MoD don't know whether the soldier has died and they won't assume he's dead until X years have passed since his birth - I don't remember what X is and couldn't see it on that link, but it is several years more than 100 years.

Good luck

Re: South Wales Borderers

Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:21 pm

I've not looked further but this looks like it could be the index details of his death certificate

Name: Edwin S T Williams
Birth Date: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Dec 1966
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 176

With initials like that and matching on the other details, that surely has to be the first one you check. There are other Edwin Williams, of course, and if this turns out not to be him, you'll need to check them.

I suggest that you use those details to order the certificate itself through the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ - it'll cost (but all the alternative sites are dearer) but the MoD won't move without it.

Re: South Wales Borderers

Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:52 pm

Thanks for this advice, yes your search is correct. The only people living now are his grand children, all his children are now dead.
I'm already aware of the MOD holding his record, SWB museum told me that.
Thanks again

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Re: South Wales Borderers

Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:39 pm

I have seen comments that when applying for a service record from the Ministry of Defence, the Ministry of Defence will accept alternatives to an actual death certificate, such as a photograph of a gravestone inscription, even an undertaker's receipt.


Re: South Wales Borderers

Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:51 pm

Oh that's helps Maureen thanks :) I'm getting my uncles family to search his records for me

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